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We’re required to kill our gators here with a large caliber handgun, no rifles allowed in the boat. First inclination was to use one of my N frames. On second thought, Glock…something I won’t mourn as it sinks out of sight if things get exciting. That would be my choice on a raft trip as well.


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Since you said "kid" I'd say a smallish, sem-auto, and nothing very expensive. Taurus, LCP, kind of thing.

"Kids" don't often have top flight gear/guns. Semi-auto is the choice of way more "kids" these days. But, if the "kid" is under 21, I'd have a bit of backstory as to where they got the gun.

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Any Glock. They work and if you lost it, no big deal.

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If it were necessary, I would modify my PFD or perhaps a wetsuit shortie or vest to accommodate a very small weapon. Rescue knives are my go to weapon, not guns on a whitewater trip, and never have I worn a fanny pack on the water!

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A revolver for a kid? When was the last time anyone saw a millennial or gen-z pick up a revolver, let alone carry one? And then try to have the millennial take the side plate off, while on the side of the river, and re-oil the lockwork? Um, not happening. I'd go with some small semi-auto Ruger or Glock. Something easy to disassemble, shake the sand and water out of, and something in the range of a kid's budget.

Edited to add. I've rafted several rivers including the Rogue in Oregon and the Colorado, in Colorado. We saw several black bears during a three night trip while on the Rogue. If I was to pick a river gun, I'd go with a G29 west of the Mississippi, and a G26 or 43x east of the Mississippi with a one spare mag each in a sealed bag. I'd 100% have a Spyderco H1 serrated blade of some sort on my lifejacket-vest and a H1 regular blade folder available at camp, both in yellow. Floating with a 8", 629 and a bandolier of 44mags would not be an issue with a proper river lifejacket, let alone a small semi-auto (as others have hinted). Sans the life jacket, which is almost never done on a river - even to jump in and cool off in the flat water, a good swimmer wouldn't notice two pounds of gear. A bad swimmer would have issues in a current regardless of a fanny pack or not.

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Revolvers contain intricate lockwork that are very susceptible to having issues with fine sand that is commonly along rivers. I absolutely would take a polymer framed handgun, like a Glock before I would take a revolver.

I kayak on rivers and generally use a G19 in a chest rig. If I was going on a float trip in the back country, I would run a Glock 30S .45 ACP with some heavy hardcast bullets that are capable of handling any large predators, as well as any lesser 2 or 4 legged threats.

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Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
A revolver for a kid? When was the last time anyone saw a millennial or gen-z pick up a revolver, let alone carry one? And then try to have the millennial take the side plate off, while on the side of the river, and re-oil the lockwork? Um, not happening. I'd go with some small semi-auto Ruger or Glock. Something easy to disassemble, shake the sand and water out of, and something in the range of a kid's budget.

Edited to add. I've rafted several rivers including the Rogue in Oregon and the Colorado, in Colorado. We saw several black bears during a three night trip while on the Rogue. If I was to pick a river gun, I'd go with a G29 west of the Mississippi, and a G26 or 43x east of the Mississippi with a one spare mag each in a sealed bag. I'd 100% have a Spyderco H1 serrated blade of some sort on my lifejacket-vest and a H1 regular blade folder available at camp, both in yellow. Floating with a 8", 629 and a bandolier of 44mags would not be an issue with a proper river lifejacket, let alone a small semi-auto (as others have hinted). Sans the life jacket, which is almost never done on a river - even to jump in and cool off in the flat water, a good swimmer wouldn't notice two pounds of gear. A bad swimmer would have issues in a current regardless of a fanny pack or not.

My question for you is, have you ever taken a swim in real (as in aerated) whitewater? You know - that place you're most likely to be ejected from the raft, with recirculating hydraulics or strainers, etc? No unnecessary extra weight for me, thanks.


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Question for the OP. What kind of whitewater are we talking about? Point&shoot? Class 2 pool&drop? Class 4/5 continuous thrashing? Something in between? What are the odds &, consequences of a swim? Does the subject of the story even have a clue? Do the yuppies have a clue? Is this Deliverance revisited? Or are we intending to actually know what we're doing?


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Originally Posted by FreeMe
My question for you is, have you ever taken a swim in real (as in aerated) whitewater? You know - that place you're most likely to be ejected from the raft, with recirculating hydraulics or strainers, etc? No unnecessary extra weight for me, thanks.

I have. Voluntarily. We put our life jackets on and ran the rapids several times without the boat. I've done it numerous places. They were probably class III. Without a lifejacket, it would have been very tough. Very tough. Also jumped off cliffs 45'ish (better have on shoes) in Oregon. I've run class II-III's in a tube before, gotten stuck in eddies, sucked under. Be smart about where you run them, have the proper gear, and know your limits. I swam competitively, lifeguarded, and still swim recreationally and SCUBA dive. Just did 2800 yards in a pool two days ago.

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Originally Posted by navlav8r
He must be afraid of banjos. 😳

Afraid to face the music, so to speak. Archery gear is the only sensible choice.🤔

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Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
Originally Posted by FreeMe
My question for you is, have you ever taken a swim in real (as in aerated) whitewater? You know - that place you're most likely to be ejected from the raft, with recirculating hydraulics or strainers, etc? No unnecessary extra weight for me, thanks.

I have. Voluntarily. We put our life jackets on and ran the rapids several times without the boat. I've done it numerous places. They were probably class III. Without a lifejacket, it would have been very tough. Very tough. Also jumped off cliffs 45'ish (better have on shoes) in Oregon. I've run class II-III's in a tube before, gotten stuck in eddies, sucked under. Be smart about where you run them, have the proper gear, and know your limits. I swam competitively, lifeguarded, and still swim recreationally and SCUBA dive. Just did 2800 yards in a pool two days ago.

Good context. Thank you. The average whitewater rafter may not be so practiced and capable. When I think of whitewater rafting, I think of class 4 and up. I do 2-3 in canoes. I'm a better paddler than swimmer, so I prefer to be geared up for swimming vastly more than for shooting.


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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Pic from the kayak wearing an HPG kitbag and a G19:


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That rig looks pretty interesting. Maybe in another thread, just for fun, you could do kitbag dump of what else you like to carry inside and on it for a kayak trip.

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Up-date:

Guided float. Good-guy going to opt for a kayak because the rest of the dudes are worthless.

Guide going to tell hero to clip the fanny-pack into the kayak instead of wearing it. And tells him why...all the reasons you told me it was a bad idea.

Opting for Glock-19 and two magazines. While there might be better choices for specific applications, one never need apologize for carrying a G.19.

Good-guy taking weapon on principle. Crack-heads are everywhere and hogs and bears are also possibilities.

THanks for the help, gentlemen!


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Originally Posted by JoeMama
Up-date:

Guided float. Good-guy going to opt for a kayak because the rest of the dudes are worthless.

Guide going to tell hero to clip the fanny-pack into the kayak instead of wearing it. And tells him why...all the reasons you told me it was a bad idea.

Opting for Glock-19 and two magazines. While there might be better choices for specific applications, one never need apologize for carrying a G.19.

Good-guy taking weapon on principle. Crack-heads are everywhere and hogs and bears are also possibilities.

THanks for the help, gentlemen!

That sounds believable.


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Might as well carry two. Make it a pair of Desert Eagles in ankle holsters.

It'll give your character some ballast if he falls in......grin

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Rafting is a perfect application for TRH's shower Glock.


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Originally Posted by kingston
Rafting is a perfect application for TRH's shower Glock.

LOL 😂


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Sig 365 with two 13 round mags.

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I worked as a river guide in WV for a number of years in my younger days. I agree about not having anymore weight on you than needed. I'd probably take an air weight j-frame with no extra ammo or maybe one speed strip. And remember in this story, the young man is not supposed to have a firearm on him, so he'd want something that was easy to hide.

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