Only carried a G22 for 14 months during my stint as a deputy sheriff jailer. I was "let go" for use of excessive force. You ever been 48 to 1 unarmed in a pod ???
I thought this was interesting. Delta carried G22’s for a bit.
Very worthwhile viewing. Thank you. The interviewee has most certainly given a good deal of intense thought to what he was describing. Got a kick outa how much budget influenced caliber selection. I found it intriguing that he said the effective difference between .40 and 9mm is small, yet he didn’t elaborate on the idea that there is a difference. I was particularly taken by his notion of the conversation one should have with one’s self - extremely insightful.
Only carried a G22 for 14 months during my stint as a deputy sheriff jailer. I was "let go" for use of excessive force. You ever been 48 to 1 unarmed in a pod ???
You mean your charming personality wasn’t enough?
Steve Anderson my charming personality is enough to know tha6 when people selective quote. They do it as if the stuff said in the OP is somehow nullified in their minds. It's a sign you are annoyed and losing. Next step of you losing will be going English nazi mode. Grasping at straws type of stuff.
Don't worry old man... Your reputation preceeds you with many on this forum.
Everyone knows and remembers how you got you azz handed to you baaaaaad on here earlier this year. Caught in numerous bullschit lies, tall tales, and over all douche baggery....
Maybe you 2 old farts outta hit that little flag icon.
And tell Sysop or Bin I hurt your little feelers while I was down here hunting out and antagonizing maser sockpuppets to get em to react . And then along came you 2 screwing schit up, having no fuuuking clue I,m doing hitman work for the Bin.
DeFlave is most accurate in my opinion. The 40 loaded with hard cast is a great outdoors carry gun. The G23 solves many problems on a hiking trail while a G20 10mm struggles to keep out of sight from the casual observer. OTOH I cannot see any reason the .40 is better for every day carry, but again all of them can be lethal if applied correctly.
While there is no doubt that 9mm has improved tremendously since the FBI shootout in Miami, it just defies logic to conclude, strictly in terms of terminal ballistics, that it's now the full equal to the .40 S&W. Where 9mm likely surpasses the .40 S&W is in shootability and (at least by a small measure) in capacity using flush mags.
So, it's a trade off. You just have to decide on which side of that tradeoff you fall. For an agency having to supply one handgun model/caliber to every armed agent/officer, there's a preference for a one-size-fits-all approach, i.e., the best common denominator, which seems to be the 9mm. That doesn't mean, however, that the 9mm is the best choice for you.
You might be someone who shoots the .40 as well as you shoot the 9mm. In which case, now you are down only to capacity as the factor favoring the 9mm, which might push you over the edge into the category where .40 S&W is the slightly better choice (even despite giving up a couple of rounds of capacity), due to its superior (and we don't know to what extent that's the case, but it's certainly the case to at least some extent) stopping power.
The difference for someone who shoots .40 S&W as well as he shoots 9mm is likely marginal, but it may favor the .40 S&W just slightly, all factors considered.
The .40 S&W was my favorite go-to round until a lot of fine pistols started being produced in the 10mm. Though my main carry gun is a 9mm because it's small enough to conceal and fit comfortably in my front pocket.
Still thinking about what the interviewee said about how much the adoption of the 9mm was influenced by budget considerations.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
While there is no doubt that 9mm has improved tremendously since the FBI shootout in Miami, it just defies logic to conclude, strictly in terms of terminal ballistics, that it's now the full equal to the .40 S&W. Where 9mm likely surpasses the .40 S&W is in shootability and (at least by a small measure) in capacity using flush mags.
So, it's a trade off. You just have to decide on which side of that tradeoff you fall. For an agency having to supply one handgun to every armed agent/officer, there's a preference for a one-size-fits-all approach, i.e., the best common denominator, which seems to be the 9mm. That doesn't mean, however, that the 9mm is the best choice for you.
You might be someone who shoots the .40 as well as you shoot the 9mm. In which case, now you are down only to capacity as the factor favoring the 9mm, which might push you over the edge into the category where .40 S&W is the slightly better choice (even despite giving up a couple of rounds of capacity), due to its superior (and we don't know to what extent that's the case, but it's certainly the case to at least some extent) stopping power.
The difference for someone who shoots .40 S&W as well as he shoots 9mm is likely marginal, but it may favor the .40 S&W just slightly, all factors considered.
You certainly have a point there. Sure seems like most folks shoot a .22LR better than a 9mmP, a 9mmP better than a .40S&W, and a .40S&W better than a.45ACP. Don’t think that tells us much about which is best.
Anyone done any tests or know of tests comparing the pistol calibers and various loads shooting through car doors into gel?
My money would be on the 357 Sig and 357 mag.
357 Sig is my caliber of choice. I carry a G31.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
I have the most trigger time of any caliber with the Glock 40 cal. I never shot anyone with it but was very close a few times. I have seen it used and only one person survived it. i have no complaints. now we are transitioning back to the Glock 9mm. As someone has determined that it is a better can opener. with newer ammo it may well be just that. Time will tell. To me a handgun is still a big nail small hammer situation. But, that's what's on your hip 90 % of the time so, it gets used often.
"Still thinking about what the interviewee said about how much the adoption of the 9mm was influenced by budget considerations."
Agreed. Budget is prime consideration.
Place I work for issued new .40 because old ones were wore out. Their "Break In" and qualification with new gun consisted of 62 rounds because of ammo costs. Grossly insufficient.
"Put none but Americans on guard tonight." -George Washington
"Still thinking about what the interviewee said about how much the adoption of the 9mm was influenced by budget considerations."
Agreed. Budget is prime consideration.
Place I work for issued new .40 because old ones were wore out. Their "Break In" and qualification with new gun consisted of 62 rounds because of ammo costs. Grossly insufficient.
Don't know how one can reasonably wear out a Glock .40.
