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Going to load up fairly mild 308 rounds for whitetail hunting. Where we hunt the vast majority of shots are under 100 yds and most are within 50 yards. Probably load them to 2500-2600fps. Two bullets that are available are the Speer 165 BTSP and the Hornady 165 BTSP Interlock. At that velocity and distance it probably doesn’t matter which bullet I use but does anyone have experience with both? Any reason to go with the slightly more expensive interlock? Any others I should consider (factoring in availability)?
I have a bunch of 165 Accubonds but seems like a waste to use them. However I would if there were significant benefits over the others I listed. If not I’ll save those for the 30-06 and 300 WSM.
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It’s really just a 300 Savage at that point so nope, I’d not worry a bit about either bullet mentioned. I can’t see either bullet giving you a lick of trouble under those conditions you laid out.
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A lot of 16" .308 semiautos are only making 2450-2550 with factory 165 softpoints and you rarely hear folks complaining about a lack of performance on game at reasonable ranges. I'd have no worries shooting either of those bullets for deer-sized stuff. The Speer will likely expand a bit more at that speed, as it's know to be fairly soft.
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Years ago I loaded up quite a few 165's with 4064, at those speeds. Hornadys , Speers and Sierra GK's , deer never knew the difference.The Sierras proved the most accurate, so I ended up sticking with them'
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Don't overlook the 165 Speer Hotcor.
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Don't overlook the 165 Speer Hotcor. That would’ve been high on the list but I can’t find them anywhere.
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Don't overlook the 165 Speer Hotcor. I'll second that vote. That's the bullet I run in a Ruger M77 RSI, the Mannlicher stocked version with 18.5" barrel. I run the Speer bullet with a max load of W760 for a velocity of 2550 FPS. That same load does 2610 FPS from a 22" Winchester M70. I've taken deer from 6 feet to 250 yards with that load. Only one bullet ever recovered and that was from the 250 yard deer. I've shot the M70 on paper but never at game. Accuracy from the RSI is 1.25 to 1.50" and .75" from the M70. Bullet: 165 gr. Speer Hot Core Powder: W760 49.0 gr. (MAX load) Was safe in both my rifles but work up. Brass: Winchester Prime: Winchester WLR Pressure: 50,000 C.U.P. PJ
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Don't overlook the 165 Speer Hotcor. I'll second that vote. That's the bullet I run in a Ruger M77 RSI, the Mannlicher stocked version with 18.5" barrel. I run the Speer bullet with a max load of W760 for a velocity of 2550 FPS. That same load does 2610 FPS from a 22" Winchester M70. I've taken deer from 6 feet to 250 yards with that load. Only one bullet ever recovered and that was from the 250 yard deer. I've shot the M70 on paper but never at game. Accuracy from the RSI is 1.25 to 1.50" and .75" from the M70. Bullet: 165 gr. Speer Hot Core Powder: W740 49.0 gr. (MAX load) Was safe in both my rifles but work up. Brass: Winchester Prime: Winchester WLR Pressure: 50,000 C.U.P. PJ W7 60 IIRC.
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Pretty hard to beat a Hornady Interlock! memtb
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Pretty hard to beat a Hornady Interlock! memtb Sure is. Both the sp and btsp are exceptional. That hotcore has nothing on the interlock. I'd also rather shoot a WW powerpoint than a speer anything..
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If you can get some 170 HDY flat points (usually a 30/30 bullet) that would be my choice. In the older HDY manuals they were recommended in 300 Savage .308 and 30/40 Krag. They will work well at 2400-2500 fps.
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If you can get some 170 HDY flat points (usually a 30/30 bullet) that would be my choice. In the older HDY manuals they were recommended in 300 Savage .308 and 30/40 Krag. They will work well at 2400-2500 fps. I load 170-grain Speer flat points over 36.5 grains of H4895 in the 308. I get 2,200 fps from a 22" barrel, which should be perfect for the OP's conditions. Recoil is non-existent. Okie John
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Hard to beat the Hornady-at whatever speed.
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Years ago I wanted to work up a low recoil .308 load for my wife and then young nephews.
Settled on the Barnes TTSX 130 grain with 45.5 gr of Varget and a F210.
It is pleasant as punch to shoot and so effective that it has become my go to deer and pig load of choice.
Fwiw - our bucks run 200 - 220, occasionally more, and pigs go up to 250.
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"W760 IIRC."
Thanks, I fixed it. PJ
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I know you specified 165 grain bullets but, for years, we've loaded 150 grain Sierra gamekings over a modest load of 4064 and it worked wonders on eastern whitetails at typical woods ranges.
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+1 on Sierra Game King 165gr., been shooting them in my .30-06 with IMR 4350 for several years now. Very accurate and deadly on whitetails, my preferred .30 cal. bullet for whitetails.
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Thanks all. Picked up 165 BTSP Interlocks today.
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Thanks all. Picked up 165 BTSP Interlocks today. What brass and powder do you think you'll use?
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Remington brass, Fed 210 primers and either IMR4064, Varget or Big Game for powder. Would appreciate suggestions on the best powder keeping in mind that I’m looking for somewhere around 2600 fps
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