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A solution for a problem, that I don't live in any of the states that require that solution...
I picked up two Savage 350 Legends, because they were on Walmart Close Outs...when Walmart here was getting out of the gun biz... $425.00 for the pair of them.
One has a 17 Fireball barrel on it... and the other is getting a 6 x 45 barrel on it, that I've ordered .
one thing the Legend from Savage has me liking is the barrel length and contour.. I ordered both the 17 Fireball and the 6. x 45 from Douglas in the same 18 inch barrel and heavy magnum contour that the 350 Legend barrels were in...
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Remington isn't alone. Nobody's making components unless it's for a "latest craze" caliber. Hornady for example has dropped a LOT of calibers from brass production or ammo.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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The buckhammer is a tapered case. Trim any of those cases to 1.8 inches, run them threw a die and party on.
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Remington isn't alone. Nobody's making components unless it's for a "latest craze" caliber. Hornady for example has dropped a LOT of calibers from brass production or ammo. Hornady has introduced a few new cartridges over the past several years, most are successful to very successful, same with Nosler. Remington, ATK, Vista Outdoors, on the other hand has no clue how to market such a product and most important how to keep ammo, components and rifles available. They can’t even get brass for existing cartridges on the shelf and we are supposed to believe they will fill this niche. I’ll bet there are plenty of 30 REM AR owners that are patiently waiting for their brass or ammo to hit the shelves.
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It's a very good design if there is support from the ammo and gun makers. 30-30 brass and familiar/reliable bullets. Gives about 35Remington performance. What's not to like?
I'd buy one quick if I was in a shotgun zone.
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It's a very good design if there is support from the ammo and gun makers. 30-30 brass and familiar/reliable bullets. Gives about 35Remington performance. What's not to like?
I'd buy one quick if I was in a shotgun zone. Yep, You sum it up nicely. I have a couple of Marlins in 35 Remington and can tell you that they work great on deer and hogs. This cartridge is better in that it will be legal in for a lot of hunters and brass can be made from several rimmed cartridges in a pinch. It will also work in model 94 winchesters which have never been made in 35 Remington.
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I’m pretty sure everyone gets the purpose, it’s the fact that it’s another Remington introduction that’s the problem. Except it isn't. The 360 Buckhammer was jointly introduced by Remington Ammo USA and Henry, not REMARMS.
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I think this conversation really sums it up with 2 groups
I live or hunt in an area that is a straight wall cartridge area
I have interest
I don’t live/ hunt in a straight wall cartridge area I really don’t give a crap
The 350 Legend has picked up stream here in MI and seems to be doing well as I posted previously I love my 450 and Daughter, Son in Law and a pile of friends are good with the 450.
I hunted for 20 years with my 50 cal Encore MZ when MI was a shot gun state ( it took me a while to decide to switch to the 450 after it was legal) and was fine with it but when I switched to the 450 it was a very good change
But I sure understand the skepticism of the new latest and greatest most times as many of you do you study if for a few minutes and say hell that’s the same as this cartridge made in 19xx
But most hunters are not you and spot that they are swayed by the influencers
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I think this conversation really sums it up with 2 groups
I live or hunt in an area that is a straight wall cartridge area
I have interest
I don’t live/ hunt in a straight wall cartridge area I really don’t give a crap
The 350 Legend has picked up stream here in MI and seems to be doing well as I posted previously I love my 450 and Daughter, Son in Law and a pile of friends are good with the 450.
I hunted for 20 years with my 50 cal Encore MZ when MI was a shot gun state ( it took me a while to decide to switch to the 450 after it was legal) and was fine with it but when I switched to the 450 it was a very good change
Hank And the 3rd group that doesn't live in a screw restriction state but still wants one and that appreciates a straight wall case for slinging lead.
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Remington isn't alone. Nobody's making components unless it's for a "latest craze" caliber. Hornady for example has dropped a LOT of calibers from brass production or ammo. Hornady has introduced a few new cartridges over the past several years, most are successful to very successful, same with Nosler. Remington, ATK, Vista Outdoors, on the other hand has no clue how to market such a product and most important how to keep ammo, components and rifles available. They can’t even get brass for existing cartridges on the shelf and we are supposed to believe they will fill this niche. I’ll bet there are plenty of 30 REM AR owners that are patiently waiting for their brass or ammo to hit the shelves. And that may be a bit of a chicken/egg deal. It's not on the shelf because the local dealer isn't ordering it because they're selling multiples of some other cartridge instead. They have finite ordering capabilities and are allocating it to the "sexy" because that's what people are buying and the guns they can get in too.
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I think this conversation really sums it up with 2 groups
I live or hunt in an area that is a straight wall cartridge area
I have interest
I don’t live/ hunt in a straight wall cartridge area I really don’t give a crap
The 350 Legend has picked up stream here in MI and seems to be doing well as I posted previously I love my 450 and Daughter, Son in Law and a pile of friends are good with the 450.
I hunted for 20 years with my 50 cal Encore MZ when MI was a shot gun state ( it took me a while to decide to switch to the 450 after it was legal) and was fine with it but when I switched to the 450 it was a very good change
Hank And the 3rd group that doesn't live in a screw restriction state but still wants one and that appreciates a straight wall case for slinging lead. Yep you are on it my Buddy Freddie if you cant kill it or shoot it with a 45-70 its not worth messing with good point Hank
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I wasn't aware of the older 35-30 wildcat. Sounds like a good one as well.
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I'm waiting for S&W to chamber for it. More fun to shoot than my 460 w/no moon clips like the 350L.
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I think this conversation really sums it up with 2 groups
I live or hunt in an area that is a straight wall cartridge area
I have interest
I don’t live/ hunt in a straight wall cartridge area I really don’t give a crap
The 350 Legend has picked up stream here in MI and seems to be doing well as I posted previously I love my 450 and Daughter, Son in Law and a pile of friends are good with the 450.
I hunted for 20 years with my 50 cal Encore MZ when MI was a shot gun state ( it took me a while to decide to switch to the 450 after it was legal) and was fine with it but when I switched to the 450 it was a very good change
Hank And the 3rd group that doesn't live in a screw restriction state but still wants one and that appreciates a straight wall case for slinging lead. Yep you are on it my Buddy Freddie if you cant kill it or shoot it with a 45-70 its not worth messing with good point Hank Just that it will be a better lead (read cast bullet) slinger than a 35 Rem. I can load any of the thousands of cast bullets I use in my 38/357 revolvers in it.
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Remington isn't alone. Nobody's making components unless it's for a "latest craze" caliber. Hornady for example has dropped a LOT of calibers from brass production or ammo. Hornady has introduced a few new cartridges over the past several years, most are successful to very successful, same with Nosler. Remington, ATK, Vista Outdoors, on the other hand has no clue how to market such a product and most important how to keep ammo, components and rifles available. They can’t even get brass for existing cartridges on the shelf and we are supposed to believe they will fill this niche. I’ll bet there are plenty of 30 REM AR owners that are patiently waiting for their brass or ammo to hit the shelves. Doesn't matter, they, just like ALL of them focus on what sells, can't say I blame them, but they stopped producing a whole lot of brass..
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I will not use it but welcome any new cartridge that guys can use in restricted areas.By the way Remington is under new ownership now and judging them by past ownership is just plain dumb.
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The .308 based wildcat I've been working on can be reloaded using .44 Mag. carbide dies. A 300 grain jacketed softpoint at around 2500 FPS would give that "buckhammer" a run for its money on that clay block. For use in states where the case length isn't an issue, a .30-06 case could get the same treatment- - - - -cut the brass off at the base of the taper, fireform, and use a .429 bullet. The case taper would resemble a .30-06 AI.
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Seems like they took Winchester’s idea but gave us a .357 instead of a stupid .355. That’s shrewd business acumen. Can’t imagine them twisting it wrong like Remington has be known to do. From what I've read it's a. 358 so normal 35 caliber rifle bullets will work fine. The .357 bullets may or may not be as accurate.
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I wasn't aware of the older 35-30 wildcat. Sounds like a good one as well. a little more info "Historical Notes:
Although not widely known, the 35-30/30 is one of the oldest wildcats, having originated around the turn of the century. Its original purpose was to salvage worn out 32-40 and 32 Winchester Special barrels by reboring them to 35 caliber. The idea was also implied to improve the performance of Winchester Model 1894 rifles and carbines while staying within the cartridge length and pressure limitations of this action. The 35-30/30 cartridge is based on necking up 30-30 or 32 Winchester Special brass without any other change, although a few rifles have been made up to accept the Ackley Improved version of this case. Recently there has been a rebirth of interest in this cartridge by silhouette shooters who like to use cast bullets. In 1976, Arizona gunsmith Paul Marquart built several 35-30/30 silhouette rifles built on the Remington 788 action, and these quickly established a reputation as being both accurate and effective for the intended sport. Information on these rifles was published in The Fouling Shot, published by the Cast Bullet Association, and other shooters found it promising as a target and hunting cartridge. The 35-30/30 can be loaded to about equal the ballistics of the 35 Remington, and in fact, if Remington hadn't introduced their rimless 35 in 1908, it is highly possible that the necked up 30-30 would have become much more popular than it did. In any event, it is picking up a new but modest following.
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I wasn't aware of the older 35-30 wildcat. Sounds like a good one as well. a little more info "Historical Notes:
Although not widely known, the 35-30/30 is one of the oldest wildcats, having originated around the turn of the century. Its original purpose was to salvage worn out 32-40 and 32 Winchester Special barrels by reboring them to 35 caliber. The idea was also implied to improve the performance of Winchester Model 1894 rifles and carbines while staying within the cartridge length and pressure limitations of this action. The 35-30/30 cartridge is based on necking up 30-30 or 32 Winchester Special brass without any other change, although a few rifles have been made up to accept the Ackley Improved version of this case. Recently there has been a rebirth of interest in this cartridge by silhouette shooters who like to use cast bullets. In 1976, Arizona gunsmith Paul Marquart built several 35-30/30 silhouette rifles built on the Remington 788 action, and these quickly established a reputation as being both accurate and effective for the intended sport. Information on these rifles was published in The Fouling Shot, published by the Cast Bullet Association, and other shooters found it promising as a target and hunting cartridge. The 35-30/30 can be loaded to about equal the ballistics of the 35 Remington, and in fact, if Remington hadn't introduced their rimless 35 in 1908, it is highly possible that the necked up 30-30 would have become much more popular than it did. In any event, it is picking up a new but modest following. Cool ..... While I no longer play with wildcats, that one does seem to be a good one, esp when it was designed. Thanks
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