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The 360 Buckhammer!

Somebody finally listened. When Ohio adopted its PCR rules for deer. I remember opining on this august forum that I was waiting for a .358 straightwall round that had the punch of a 358 Winchester. It looks like Remington and Henry may have heard me. Dang! It took 'em 8 years.

I'm eager to hear more.

Looking over factory advertised ballistics which are often not achieved in the real world, this new round is well short of 358 Win performance. More like 35 Remington. Still a step above the 350 Legend, so good on Remington.

Hope it works out for people that are limited to straight wall cartridges.

I’m going to buy one and stock up on brass so after it’s discontinued I’ll be set up. It’d be my Ohio rifle where they don’t allow bottleneck cases.

That was my plan with the .357 Max Encore I have here in Iowa. Then they went and allowed bottlenecked cartridges .355"-.500". So then I had to buy a .350 Rem Mag XP-100 after my daughter claimed the .357 Max and told me I needed to go buy another pistol to hunt with because that one is hers now.

Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

There will always be plenty of brass around for it.

I’m all in on the 350 Legend already (Dies, bullets, powder, rifles), so that’s where I’m staying. Plenty potent for whitetails. I have 500 Starline brass, and several hundred once fired Winchester brass. I hope the new caliber makes it though. A day late and a dollar short in my book.

Ron

i am waiting for a factory 375 caliber bullet hog smacker cartridge , a friend left me around 1,000 bullets

Someone will convert a S&W 45/410 to a buck hammer, I’ll bet.

One has to love a cartridge you can load the same bullets in that you sling out of a 38/357. Besides the straight wall makes for a wonderful cast bullet launcher and you can form brass from 30/30.


All wins

Remember, this isn’t the Remington of old. This is the Remington Ammunition company, a subsidiary of Federal.

Am I reading this right: the parent case is a 30-30?

Hmmm. I wonder when JES will be able to rechamber a 30-30 for 360 Buckhammer.


EDIT: I found this article that does a good job of getting into the details
https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/360-buckhammer/

I'm a bit less enamored the more I read, but I'm still curious. I wonder what a .358 pistol bullet would do-- either a Hornady XTP or a cast lead 158 grain RNFP.

This is probably the first time in 20-some years, I've actually been attracted to a new cartridge. Normally, I look at the chambering du jour and yawn. However, this one seems to have some practicality and some potential for growing legs.

Yes, 30/30 case, which is why I said earlier 'There will always be brass around for it.'


You won't be able to rebore a 30/30 to 360. Well, the rebore part isn't the issue, it's the chamber and the 360 will be narrower than the 30/30 at a point in the chamber.

At short range it might be a little hot at max velocity for a 180 XTP. I've taken a few deer with that bullet and it's been excellent, the hardest it got pushed was a shoulder shot on a 200# buck at ~10 yards with a MV of around 1850 fps. It performed perfect but guesstimating based on how much it mushroomed I'm not sure I'd push too much faster than that if close shots are a possibility.

...and me too on being attracted to the round. I don't need any wild velocity claims, as a single shot fan, a rimmed case with similar performance to a 35 Remington is plenty for me to take an interest in it.

Sounds like a Big Green version of the .375 Winchester..

That would be fun in a balanced double rifle.

Not really, plus there are an endless supply/variety of bullets for the 360.

Drat!

From an article in outdoor life on the remington release of the cartridge:

"The parent case of the .360 Buckhammer is a .30/30 that’s been blown out to get rid of the taper and necked up to accommodate .358-caliber bullets. Initially, the .360 Buckhammer will be offered with two bullets: a 200-grain Core-Lokt and a 180-grain Core-Lokt."

Hope these bullets make it into the components sales scene.

That's an odd explanation, as it's smaller in diameter than the 30/30 at a certain point up the case.

I'll ask this question so warm the tar up Will it work in AR platform? I'm glad to see the 360 and hope it suceeds.

It'll work in an AR about as well as any other rimmed cartridge would.....

XTPs are probably too soft for deer. The FP is recommended for use in .357 rifles over the HP version. With Lil Gun, 1900fps is doable, even a bit higher in some guns, pretty much original .30/30 ballistics, at the muzzle anyway. Mule Deer & Co like a 180gr Speer IIRC in the Max and some 9mm rifles.

There’s been a .35/30 wildcat around for years for Winchester guys with .35 Remington envy.

The 180 XTP has worked just fine for me out of
a maximum reamed from a 357mag
I've shot several deer with it as a magnum
before the reaming, and the regular 158gr
jacketed did just fine. IIRC 22" barrel in a
H&R Handi rifle. Through and through. No
recovered bullet to show

FWIW, and I acknowledge it's out of a 357 Mag, so not as fast, but 158gr XTP-HPs have been wicked good on use for whitetails. Son's first deer was shot at 30yds. In through the sternum found in rear ham.

In a .358 win they will work and work very well at good speeds and picked distances.
So this 360 BH is the same just slower.
All the caveats that go with the Win will be the same for the Rem. BuckH.

I think it would be a good round for the T/C Encore, pistol or rifle format. Don’t know if it’s too much for the Contender or G2. I

Always fun to have a new toy to play with until we put it back in a box and forget about it.

It depends on whose box you're putting your toy in.

I was just parroting what I read in a Brian Pierce article. He recommended the FP over the HP for rifle use. I have both, but based on early returns, the FP isn’t as accurate in my Henry SS. Might give it a try for does next season.

Pearce is a big fan of the .357 in rifles. Compares it to the .30/30 for effectiveness. His wife and kids have shot a bunch of stuff with it too.

No Buckhammer for me I think. We don’t have any silly restrictions, plus we have hills for stray bullets to run into. 😜

Looks very promising though.

Yeah, we Olde Fartes tend to look both ways before hopping on the bandwagon. Especially if it has wobbly wheels and is steered by a wild-eyed drunk marketing weenie.

I've killed deer with several brands of 158 gr. SP's and HP's out of my Marlin 1894c. They all killed deer. They just ain't near as hard to kill with properly placed bullets as people tend to think..

We made a few AR's in 44 Remington Magnum in 2001. Sales were less than dismal. It was during the magazine ban and no one wanted an AR that only held 8 rounds, plus there wasn't much interest in hunting with an AR at that time.

We might bring it back though. The AR landscape has certainly changed.

Tony Rumore
Tromix

Since it's based off the 30-30, I would think it would be GTG in the Contender. Lots of 30-30 wildcats have been done in the Contender.

I have both the Original Contender and G2 along with the Encore, Match Grade Machine said they have a reamer ordered. I may have to scratch that itch. 😁

Let us know Railman if you do.

IF I were going to jump on this, a Henry SS would be an easy choice for me due to past experience. They have been cleaning up their lever actions a bit, so they might get a look as well. Recent reviews have been very positive in general. They are however, about twice the price IIRC, and one shot seems to be the norm for me anyway as I’m past the lead-slinging stage.