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Fulfilling the Abrahamic covenant that through Abraham ALL nations will receive the blessing.

That blessing was the original covenant that was lost at the fall.
It’s the theme of the whole Bible.....

But it wasn’t Paul, it was Jesus

There is plenty to criticize about the greater Church in America. It caters to the foundational problem which is that we are a self focused rotting society and don't want to hear about sacrificially loving God and others as yourself.

The Word lives and knows no borders; we are being vacated.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

Why would people leave a particular church/congregation?

Look at some of the jack-wagons one has to put up with!!

But the only reason for fully and finally walking away from the One, would be because you were never one of His sheep!

His sheep know Him and they hear His voice and they follow Him!

They have been brainwashed since watching cartoons all the way through grad school that the earth is millions of years old and dinosaurs lived before man. That is contrary to God's Word. Men prefer believing a lie to the Truth so they leave.

If more pastors and Sunday school teachers and catechism teachers did a better job of Christian Apologetics there would be fewer leaving Christianity.

I don't think any of them are walking away from christianity because their church isn't hard line enough. I have never heard anyone say they were giving up christianity because their church was weak on what they consider core issues. They are walking away from that particular church to find one that they agree with more but they are not ditching christianity.

You need to check real history.

fuggin' White people

I would say that the theme of the whole bible would be to become one with God. Isn't that the whole reason for everything? What you say is technically correct about all nations receiving the blessing of the Gospel. I just think the main problem is that all that means to most people is a set of rules to live by and argue over. The gospel should be that God has made a way for you to be one with him.

Blasphemer!

I studied hard to learn all them different masses, the Holy Day ones, funerals, and of course the regular mass in Latin. Immediately upon becoming an altar boy they started saying masses in English. Made no sense to me. 2000 years and it was OK in Latin, now they gotta change it.


And kneeling, standing, kneeling, sit for a minute, kneel, stand, kneel, stand is good exercise.

I struggle with faith every day. I want there to be a god but my common sense side reminds me organized religion is the biggest farce ever created by mankind. Churches simply suck and most members are cliquish to say the least. Every religion believes it is their way or the highway.
If there is one god and perfect religion who is to say which one it is?

I’ll give them credit though, nothing like creating an imaginary person with made up rules telling people what they can or can not do. Then threatening them will hell if they don’t comply. Talk about forgiveness.

"Education" seems to be an overly broad term in this context.

I am not saying christians can't get involved in politics. Everyone should vote their conscience. Its when religious leaders tell people how to vote. They should be teaching people God's word and allowing those people to decide on their own. 61% of the American population supports legalized abortion. You tell people they can't feel that way and be a christian, they are likely to say fine I am not a christian. You say that theocracy is just another form of tyranny which I agree with completely but it almost seems like that is the end goal of some.

Everyone should be "Kingdom" voters. (meaning read, and seek to understand, the word that explains the path to the kingdom of God) Everyone voting their conscience, within a world view that teaches no illumination of conscience only an "individuals" conscience might be why we see the American society leaning to Amorality.

That is the story of the fall. We lived in the presence of GOD. (In your words we were one with GOD) We lost that. GOD immediately set in place our redemption at the fall.

Genesis 3:15


The law was pre Jesus, post Jesus grace. No need to argue about the laws.

The Abrahamic covenant was to bring that blessing to ALL the nations. As it was in the beginning.

I am grateful. John 3:16

My God is still living, those others are dead.

And this attitude is the problem right here folks.

People smugly spouting bullshit they cannot back up.

He's right.

Our culture has moved beyond the old idea that there is such a thing as evil in the world.

There is no evil, or at least no evil so powerful that some human program can’t overcome.

All that law and condemnation which brings about the need for grace and forgiveness just doesn’t suit us. It isn’t nuanced enough.

That is to say, the vast majority of people have a Rousseauean anthropology. They believe that human evil is not a matter of nature but nurture, and if we can just create the right conditions it’ll be cured. Where is room for the Gospel in that?

Sad thing is many in the Church believe the same thing and like to act religious but have surrendered so many biblical presuppositions they themselves don’t know why Jesus had to die to set the world right.

Add to that our constant need to be entertained and utter lack of willingness to make community with each other face to face and you have empty churches.