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Originally Posted by kingston
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There's a misunderstanding of the fundamental problem. Excessive working of the brass comes from the neck section of the die being much tighter than necessary to properly hold a bullet.

That and lack of annealing.

I do not use expanders. I do use mandrels.

At least with precision ammo, the goal is to reduce variables to ensure the most consistent neck tension across all loaded rounds. This is accomplished most fundamentally by turning necks and annealing.

And forcing an expander through it on the upstroke then again through a downstroke while the case isn't supported tends to work the neck unevenly and reeks havoc on consistent shoulder set-back.

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OP, consider a FL Type-S die from Redding and use the proper bushing for desired neck tension. Another option is to use an expander die as a separate step with a mandrel or pin gauge.


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Originally Posted by drop_point
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by mathman
There's a misunderstanding of the fundamental problem. Excessive working of the brass comes from the neck section of the die being much tighter than necessary to properly hold a bullet.

That and lack of annealing.

I do not use expanders. I do use mandrels.

At least with precision ammo, the goal is to reduce variables to ensure the most consistent neck tension across all loaded rounds. This is accomplished most fundamentally by turning necks and annealing.

And forcing an expander through it on the upstroke then again through a downstroke while the case isn't supported tends to work the neck unevenly and reeks havoc on consistent shoulder set-back.

...and concentricity


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If you want to minimize the amount the brass is worked you can use a bushing die to size close to where you want then the expander ball is not doing much. Or you can use a bushing die with a mandrel. You can also get forster to hone a die to your exact specs for sizing instead of using a bushing. Just using a regular die without the ball will likely produce excessive neck tension.

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