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LoL..thanks for proving my point. Ditto
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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Dude you are not here for honest dialogue
you just want to project your faith and condemn
others for not buying your brand of it.
The questions orig. put to you still stand.
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Dude you are not here for honest dialogue
you just want to project your faith and condemn
others for not buying your brand of it.
The questions orig. put to you still stand. Show me one post of mine where I condemn ANYONE for not buying into my beliefs. You made the statement Prove it. I’ll wait.....
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Right after you answer the questions put to you.
But you seem fervently intent on dancing around them..
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What's with your sense of entitlement?
Right after you answer the questions put to you.
But you seem fervently intent on dancing around them.. Now look who’s back to projecting again...... Dude you are not here for honest dialogue
you just want to project your faith and condemn
others for not buying your brand of it.
The questions orig. put to you still stand. Show me one post of mine where I condemn ANYONE for not buying into my beliefs. You made the statement Prove it. I’ll wait.....
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You have outstanding questions you refuse
to answer, so no point demanding others answer
your follow on questions.
I'd ask you to grow up but I wouldn't put hope
in that happening.
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You just can’t stop projecting.
You made a bold claim. Prove it
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I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
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JeffP keeps jumping the queue with his demands
If he would only answer the Qs orig. put to him.
but his ongoing childish antics are taking precedence.
I'll put down to him being yet another Xtian coward.
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Back and forth "did not - did too" arguments on a forum rarely make either poster look very mature.
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JeffP keeps jumping the queue with his demands
If he would only answer the Qs orig. put to him.
but his ongoing childish antics are taking precedence. Again with the projection. When someone asks you a question it’s “what’s with your entitlement?” Yet you feel entitled to demand others answer your questions. So starman You made the bold claim above. Prove it. And why do you hide when asked about your worldview? Are you ashamed? Scared your worldview will not hold up to the same scrutiny you hold Christians to? Scared your worldview will not stand the same burden of proof ?
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Back and forth "did not - did too" arguments on a forum rarely make either poster look very mature. True It’s clear starman avoids questions but demands others answer his. Christians should take note and walk away from any dialogue with him. I’ll take my own advice.
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Thank You to all who have participated in this thread so far with genuinely honest responses. To further the discussion: many of us have talked to, and listened to, and read interviews and blogs and books by dozens of people who’ve left the faith of Christianity. Do you men find it uncommon to hear a story from anyone who walked away from the faith of Christianity based on anything ‘directly’ related to the faith of Christianity itself ~ at least the original version anyway…? For me, this is all sort of abstract as I don't personally know anyone that has walked away from it in the past dozen years. I do know a few that have left the church they were attending. Some changed churches, two I know of stopped going to church all together but haven't lost their faith. One that I know that left church was Methodist, they were disgusted with the direction the Methodist church was headed.
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Star man is not someone worth interacting with at all. He has no interest in an actual conversation.
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Why do you men think people are leaving it nowadays…? What are some of the reasons that you men think people simply don’t believe it anymore, or no longer find it attractive…? Good morning Antlers The question looked familiar. I believe that a similar question was asked not that long ago but directed at the church. As I thought about that discussion and the various ways related issues have been discussed I concluded that the answer is likely the same. As I read through the thread and consider other such discussions it seems that many answers address symptoms rather than the cause. I’m left to wonder how we find the cause collectively. I’m not yet convinced that it matters enough to most that a cause is found. Helen Keller is credited with the following statement. “People don’t like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant”. To answer your initial question and the second question on page seven of the thread will require most if not all of the Christian readers of the thread to engage in introspection that requires personal change on several levels. That isn’t likely to happen even for yourself if the question isn’t embraced. Until we are willing to embrace the question at that level can it truly be answered? I don’t think that it can. Maybe it’s better to say that I don’t think that it will.
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Why do you men think people are leaving it nowadays…? What are some of the reasons that you men think people simply don’t believe it anymore, or no longer find it attractive…? Between all the "new" translations of The Bible , The knowledge of what the Papists have been up to all along and what some of Gods chosen people are up to generally.... Dont get me wrong , I still believe , more than ever in fact. It came to me that a God that can be as precisely defined as people say he is between two leather covers containing 1250 pages , is limited by the description within those pages and then limited again by how people interpret or comprehend the same ? Even naming God is an attempt to define God and somehow places the limit of human comprehension on God as I see things. The Gnostics and Kabbalists hint at it. The entity Ive come to believe in is without limit or parameter or definition. It simply "Is". Nothing actual can be apart from "Is". Is , is every atom , and the space between the particles. "Is" created the universe, remember? This belief simplifies it considerably. My part is to be reverent, forgiving and grateful. My part is to Love Is and treat everyone the way I'd want to be treated and I fail at that ,miserably , every day, if I were being honest. Learning to forgive others with the same short coming is where I'm trying to work in order that I may be forgiven. I suck at that too. We are the journey, "Is" , is the destination. Everything else is superfluous. Others mileage will likely vary. That's a really good post. God told us His name - "I Am Who Am". To me, that points out His omnipotence, eternality and infinitude. His infinitude is what I see a lot of people not taking into account. There's nothing too big, too much or too ...?? for Him. Knowing all this, what should our response to Him be? In my mind, we should do as He asks to the best of our ability.
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Thank You to all who have participated in this thread so far with genuinely honest responses. To further the discussion: many of us have talked to, and listened to, and read interviews and blogs and books by dozens of people who’ve left the faith of Christianity. Do you men find it uncommon to hear a story from anyone who walked away from the faith of Christianity based on anything ‘directly’ related to the faith of Christianity itself ~ at least the original version anyway…? I find them to be in one of 4 basic camps. 1) The ones who worship humans and, when people who are part of the institutions charged with carrying out His instructions show their humanity, use the human failings as an excuse to ignore God's instructions. This is one reason they the Catholic Church has such a split over the new mass and the old Latin mass. The new mass encourages an attitude of worshipping people. 2) People who have suffered but lack faith in the redemption of suffering and become angry at God. Cain was a good example. 3) Lazy people who don't want to fulfill God's instructions and the related... 4) Prideful people who think they can do everything on their own or know better than God. The Tower of Babel was a great example of this.
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The Tower of Babel is a grand example of what happens when you allow unlimited entry of "undocumented laborers".
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