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We don't know who the synoptic gospel authors are
or of any involvement they may have had with Jesus.
and Paul (Acts 9) records he saw no bodily resurrected
Jesus...
voices in his head are not evidence of a resurrected Jesus.

Regurgitating your tired old 'faith as fact' argument
isn't helping you...and by your own admission you
dont even identify as a Christian.

But you do sound like those fringe evangelicals
that refute scholarly consensus that Bart Ehrman
talks about.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that your joy may be full. This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
I John 1:1‭-‬10 NKJV

Proof enough for me. No one has been able to prove that Jesus wasn't here and that He wasn't raised from the dead.

The continued volume of miracles speaks to the authenticity of the Biblical claims.
There is NO getting around things like the Shroud of Turin and the ongoing Eucharistic miracles.

In fact, you can go see a display recounting Eucharistic miracles over the centuries. The Carlo Acutis display is currently touring the US. You can spend 2 hours going through this and not take it all in.

Contact here to find out where it's showing - http://www.carloacutis.com/en/association/mostra-miracoli-eucaristici

The Sacrifice *is* eternal.

As usual you seem not able to comprehend the point….. or perhaps you comprehend and cannot admit your statement about Christians basing their faith in miracles is simply inaccurate, ill informed and may also be stupid.

can't say I know anyone thats left it.

Oh yes…. Seen on these types of threads quite a bit. Commonly seen in phrases like “…. If Jesus really existed…”

There are at least two frequent posters here that will often say that …”….there is no conclusive evidence of Jesus …”

Statements like this are purposed to create some element of doubt.

I knew you couldn’t do it….shoot off your mouth….then we find you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Still the SOS……”Same ole Starman.”

So, we see the impact of Jesus short ministry on earth…. We do have the accounts of the apostles…. They were witnesses who took the time to write about Him…. He is also a figure of historical record…

But, you,come up with this self designed hurdle…..”…..yet there is still no evidence from multiple independent, objective source….” This is musta not excuse to justify your rejection.

No, you would choose to reject the the evidence if it included “videotape.” After all, the videotape could be altered…right?

The takeaway here is not that the evidence, including creation is not sufficient, the takeaway is that you will choose to reject any evidence at all as you desire to cling to …..what?….perhaps your pride?

You are indeed in the same category as the Pharisees of Jesus day…… rejecting Jesus in the face of the abundance of evidence that He was indeed the Son of God.

Can secular historians conclude that a miracle occurred…? Regarding the resurrection (as mentioned earlier), even Bart Erhman concedes that something extraordinary happened that fueled the tremendous growth of Jesus’ early ekklesia. There’s no way to explain 2.5 million Christians by the year 300 unless something extraordinary had taken place to fuel this massive growth of Jesus’ early ekklesia from the tiny sect that it began as.

Bart Erhman says that you can show historically that people claimed they saw Jesus alive after He was dead, and you can draw the conclusion that they likely believed it. But he asserts that if you yourself agree that Jesus was raised from the dead…if you yourself believe that Jesus’ resurrection was an act of God in history…then what you’re doing is no longer history ~ it’s faith. And I disagree with that assertion.

He’s saying that a historian can’t conclude that a miracle ‘has’ occurred. Why are we supposed to assume that miracles don’t occur…? Maybe the best explanation ‘is’ that a miracle ‘has’ occurred, especially in light of all of the evidence. To philosophically rule it out in advance is a bias.

I’d ask Bart Erhman…when he says that what you’re doing above is no longer history, it’s faith…what does ‘he’ specifically mean by faith. Again, I think that faith and reason are complementary, not contradictory. Faith is trusting in what you have good reason to believe is true, to me anyways.

No miracles have ever been proven to be true. The time to believe something to be true is when it has been proven to be true.

The Vatican doesnt formally endorse the shroud,
so clearly significant doubt exists.
As for alleged Eucharist miracles, if you have
a sample of the flesh of Jesus , submit it to science for genetic bio-chemical analysis.


Catholics claiming the eucharist 'wafer to flesh'
miracle get around it by also claiming it turns
from flesh back to a wafer..

Now you see it , Now you don't - Flash in the pan miracles..😂

I believe that the shroud has been tested and dates back to the 14th century.

Miracles, even performed by Christ Himself, never were intended to convert non believers.

Remember the story of casting pearls before the swine?

Not only that , Forensic anthropologists have studied the alleged blood stains.
Patterns are not consistent with what's found at corpse in situ crime scenes.

No.


But then again....I dont think something has to be "true" for you to believe in it.

No, never read that story - does it contain facts or truths or is just some condescending diatribe?

Jesus miracles are an attempt to affirm his claimed identity
as the Son of God. In other words convince the doubters.
At least that's what Xtian websites tell readers.