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What "Starman" posts here doesnt effect my beliefs one way or another.
. Children also keep believing in Santa and his flying sleigh. BTW; What was your position on 'Miracle on the Hudson'? Nothing wrong with kids believing in Santa..... Capt Sully's story doesn’t only demonstrate the existence of true heroes, but of people who fully trust their experience and intuition to perform bold feats.
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That's embarrassing. Historians have uncovered a memorandum in 1390 by Bishop Pierre d'Arcis, stating that the shroud was a fraud and he even knew the artist and how the shroud was painted. Odd that scripture would also omit mention of such an important "historical" piece of "evidence". Irrespective, a blood stained cloth would not prove a resurrection. These days we have bleeding Mary statues - the miracles continue (well, after someone refills the statues anyway). Well, this has surfaced before. I note that you seem to take the “memo” to be legit. The document you are referring to is unsigned, undated and certainly not corroborated by other outside and independent historians. Perhaps not even written by old Pierre…..bogus, yet you put some stock in it. Would you have us believe this document should be taken with some degree of seriousness? The gospels have much more corroboration than this…… That's a bit rich. The shroud came with no certificates, but you are okay with that, or even mention in the bible - you'd think that would add more credibility to the tale. The bible even says that Jesus was covered in strips of linen, with a separate cloth only covering his face, which would be normal for a Jewish burial at the time. Nothing about a bed sheet. You seem to have a comprehension issue…. What is a “bit rich?” I was not defending the shroud at all…. As usual, you missed the point. You missed the point. It's about double standards, unless you also dismiss the authenticity of the shroud. Feel free to dodge.
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Capt Sully's story doesn’t only demonstrate the existence of true heroes, but of people who fully trust their experience and intuition to perform bold feats. Nothing in that indicates a 'miracle'.
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Capt Sully's story doesn’t only demonstrate the existence of true heroes, but of people who fully trust their experience and intuition to perform bold feats. Nothing in that indicates a 'miracle'. You are going nowhere with this.
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Tyrone was invited to make his case against
the NTSB, Airbus and global prof. Pilots.
Seems hes not up to it.
Netflix can get idiots to believe anything.
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[quote=mauserand9mm][quote=TF49] .... That's a bit rich. The shroud came with no certificates, but you are okay with that, or even mention in the bible - you'd think that would add more credibility to the tale. The bible even says that Jesus was covered in strips of linen, with a separate cloth only covering his face, which would be normal for a Jewish burial at the time. Nothing about a bed sheet. Apologetics can do wonders , turn strips into a sheet and turn Paul into a murderer when scripture makes no such claim. It's what Xtians call the holy spirit at work..😂 TF49 is like that William Lane Craig apologist , both clam that g0d 'talks' to them. Just a thought for anyone but Starman. Look at his history of posting on the Campfire. I went back 10 pages before I got tired of looking. 80% of his posts are bashing religion, one way or another. Just a thought for Starman, you need help, and you won’t admit it. It is obvious that your lamp is empty. You have to be sick to get so much pleasure to try and upset so many people for so long… Pulling out the persecution card already? Skepticism too threatening?
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Tyrone was invited to make his case against
the NTSB, Airbus and global prof. Pilots.
Seems hes not up to it.
Netflix can get idiots to believe anything. I already pointed out that The Church doesn't consider it a miracle. What more do you want? What is your point, Pope Starman?
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..I already pointed out that The Church doesn't consider it a miracle. But you do consider it a miracle ..And you were asked to make your case. What do you 'know' that NTSB, Airbus and global airline pilots dont?
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That's embarrassing. Historians have uncovered a memorandum in 1390 by Bishop Pierre d'Arcis, stating that the shroud was a fraud and he even knew the artist and how the shroud was painted. Odd that scripture would also omit mention of such an important "historical" piece of "evidence". Irrespective, a blood stained cloth would not prove a resurrection. It's not paint and there's not an artist out there that has been able to reproduce it. Never said it was paint. You can paint with various fluids. Of course it can be easily reproduced, just not by removing a corpse from a cross and placing it on a sheet. The original fake looks nothing like Jesus anyway: If it wasn't paint, what is it? And who can reproduce it? If it's easy, someone would do it. You know what Jesus looked like? How? If it wasn't paint, what is it? You can "paint" without paint. And who can reproduce it? Anyone could have a go at reproducing it. Those with artistic skills could make a good go of it. If it's easy, someone would do it. Maybe they have. You know what Jesus looked like? How? Nope. Given where he was born, he would've been dark skinned, otherwise that would have been another note-worthy miracle. Nobody seems to have mentioned in the bible that Jesus was a whitey.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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The early, erroneous Carbon-14 dating of the Shroud used materials nuns sewed into the Shroud to repair damage from the fire. Except they sampled a section that was away from the fire damaged and repaired areas. They weren't as moronic as those claiming that they were.
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If it wasn't paint, what is it? You can "paint" without paint. Answer the question. What is it?And who can reproduce it? Anyone could have a go at reproducing it. Those with artistic skills could make a good go of it. If it's easy, someone would do it. Maybe they have. Show me. The burden of proof for this is on you.You know what Jesus looked like? How? Nope. Given where he was born, he would've been dark skinned, otherwise that would have been another note-worthy miracle. Nobody seems to have mentioned in the bible that Jesus was a whitey. How do you get Jesus' color from the monochromatic image on the Shroud?Also, in another post, you assumed that everyone in ancient Palestine was buried the same way. Does that make sense?
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..I already pointed out that The Church doesn't consider it a miracle. But you do consider it a miracle ..And you were asked to make your case. What do you 'know' that NTSB, Airbus and global airline pilots dont? You are the only one in the World who cares what I think. I'm a nobody. What I have is called an "opinion". Do you know what they say about those?
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What "Starman" posts here doesnt effect my beliefs one way or another.
. Children also keep believing in Santa and his flying sleigh. BTW; What was your position on 'Miracle on the Hudson'? still awaiting your definition of "miracle".
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still awaiting your definition of "miracle". Miracles are fiction. Now what's your position on the 'Miracle on the Hudson'?
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Also, in another post, you assumed that everyone in ancient Palestine was buried the same way. Does that make sense? John 20 says; strips of Linen and a separate cloth for the head. How does the shroud compare?
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It's a strip. How is the translation you are using? Are you familiar with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarium_of_Oviedo
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Capt Sully's story doesn’t only demonstrate the existence of true heroes, but of people who fully trust their experience and intuition to perform bold feats. Nothing in that indicates a 'miracle'. Who said it was a miracle....oh wait, the news media? Maybe it was or maybe not, so what, who cares...Sully was a brave man.
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John 20: NASB 3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb.
4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter
and reached the tomb first.
5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying
there but did not go in.
6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went
straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying
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7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around
Jesus’ head..
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Interesting Ty, thanks for the link...
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[/color] If it wasn't paint, what is it? You can "paint" without paint. Answer the question. What is it?Don't know, don't care - it's already been established as a fake, doesn't matter if it were blood.And who can reproduce it? Anyone could have a go at reproducing it. Those with artistic skills could make a good go of it. If it's easy, someone would do it. Maybe they have. Show me. The burden of proof for this is on you.I wrote maybe, but it makes no difference, the shroud has ready been established as a fake, doesn't matter if anyone would reproduce it or not. Your argument seemed to put significance on thisYou know what Jesus looked like? How? Nope. Given where he was born, he would've been dark skinned, otherwise that would have been another note-worthy miracle. Nobody seems to have mentioned in the bible that Jesus was a whitey. How do you get Jesus' color from the monochromatic image on the Shroud?You can't. The shape of the face is different though.Also, in another post, you assumed that everyone in ancient Palestine was buried the same way. Does that make sense?
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