Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Tract Toric UHD T Plex 3-15x50

I read many great reviews on this scope. I didn’t believe it would actually rival alpha Euro glass as some had stated. But the Japanese Schott ED glass piqued my interest. Add in that cool graphite finish, I had to have one.

I make no claim to being an optics guru. I do have nice scopes. I mainly use my optics for hunting scenarios. So if you need a drop test or a ladder test or some other criteria, you’ll be disappointed with this report. If you want to know how this scope compared to others in a real world comparison, here goes.

The Tract Toric UHD 3-15x50 was bested in every way by my Japanese Bushnell Elite 4500 2.5-10x50. I really wanted a different outcome. I’d bought the Toric for a particular rifle it would look awesome on. But it was not the optical equal to the Elite 4500. With both scopes set to equal magnification the Elite was clearly the better sight picture. I didn’t go further to compare it to a Zeiss or Leica. There was no use.

I would give Tract Optics very high marks for customer service. Fast shipment. And fast refund.

I also am not saying the Tract is junk. The LOW produced Elites are nice optics. They aren’t equal to alpha Euros, though.

I’ve found that those Elite’s and Weaver’s,made by LOW,are all I really need for my hunting.Thanks for the comparison…

The Korean made Elites still look like a decent value, what’s the issue w them?

I didn’t speak to an issue with Korean made Elites. I pointed out the one I used here was Japanese production because most folks ask about coo with those scopes.

I like my Korean Elite 4500 4-16x50 better than the Tract as well at half the price.

I guess to each their own, I have one of these scopes and have no issue with it and will be ordering another.
they compare favorably with other brands that I have. must admit that I'm not a huge Bushnell honk though

Well.. It's been awhile since I owned a 4500 (2.5-10x40)... When I did, I thought it stood in the same ballpark as my Leupold Vx 2s. It really didn't impress on any level. It was not junk or bad.. just another low dollar scope.

My Tract Toric (3-15x50) stands easily with my Swarovski z5 and Leupold VX 5HD for clarity and low light... I'm a set and forget guy so I have no "knob turning" comment.

I'm fairly convinced that the Tract outshone the Bushnell by an easy margin.

I'm ok when a $700 scope outperforms a $350.00 scope.

Threads like this and my own experiences lead me to believe that some optics simply work better with our eyes than others.

VX5HD smokes a Toric.......I do have the 15x56 Tract Toric Binos and they are very nice, lightweight, and good ergos for "the size". Glass isn't outstanding, close to a $600 pair of Athlon Cronus 15x56 (very slightly better glass in the Tract), but overall package is much nicer and build quality is better than the Chinese Athlons.

I mean no harm to TRACT as a company. I wish them success. I didn't post this as an argument with nor a rebuke to anyone. I just thought my perspective might be illuminating to someone else. I really like to hear what other folks think about products, especially ones that are mail-order.

waterdoctor stated, "I'm fairly convinced that the TRACT outshone the Bushnell by an easy margin." I can assure you that it did not. I can also assure you that I am not a liar. I hope I'm misunderstanding your intent with that statement.

I don't have a Swaro Z5 to know how it would stack up to any scope. I do have Leica ERi, Zeiss Victory HT, S&B Klassik, Zeiss V4, Meopta Optika5, Trijicon Credo, etc. All of these scopes are better optically than the Elite 4500 I compared to the TRACT Toric.

My experience is 180 from yours I find Tract Toric glass and precision to be excellent infact very comparable to my S&Bs

So because you’re a hunter and this is a “real world “ test, as you put it…. Only the characteristics of the glass matter, not durability after impact or ability to track properly and return to and hold zero. Got it. Thanks! I love helpful, real world critiques!

I have found the Tract Toric scope to track perfectly and return to zero.
Lost year I used 2 different bullets while hunting and ther was a 1 1/2 MOA difference in my 200 yard zero and I adjusted each time o went from one to the other and the tracking wS perfect each time to the point that I just adjusted with reconfirming zero and it never failed when taking an animal.

I debated posting because of the arrogant comments sure to come from a few.

For guys like me who still hunt whitetail deer in the SE, dialing often doesn’t matter. Most guys I know never shoot beyond 200 yards.

“Real world” means in the outdoors looking at wildlife and leaves rustling in the breeze, not standing in a store trying to gauge how well a scope will fit your needs.

Yes, to me the characteristics of the glass matter most in higher end scopes as long as they hold zero. The only real issue I’ve had with a higher end scope failing was the reticle turning in a Leica ER. They sent me a new scope.

I hope all of you have a great weekend.

That’s great that your scopes suit your needs. Your post just came off in such a way that inferred glass quality was all that matters and that things like drop durability and tracking were unimportant in the “real world”. I, and most others here, would ardently debate that point.

Dug, I respect your opinion and will argue for you to be able to post it. However, please allow others with different outcomes the same opportunity. I own several Tract scopes and the 15x56 binos and find them extremely bright, clear and well worth the money. As to how they would compare with another scope, such as an Elite 4500, I suspect if 10 of us lined up and did the comparison of the two optics, we'd all have somewhat different notes.
Enjoy your weekend.

I was attempting to give full disclosure that my remarks wouldn’t include those tests many here value. I didn’t mean to imply they’re useless.

So many guys I know only go to the range to check zero before opening day of gun season. Dialing is the last thing on their minds. Hunting in AL isn’t like hunting open plains.

What matters to me and most guys I know is whether we can see a deer in very poor light. Some days here it’s really dark before legal shooting light is over.

I posted my experience because it differed from some I’ve read online. There will be some who will benefit from that.

Any decent scope will allow you to see deer under 200 yards in nearly dark.

Those guys who “only go to the range to check zero before opening day of gun season” need to shoot more. If they did, they may want more from their scopes.

Explain to us how that's any of your business what other hunters do? I've had a Toric for several years on an '06, 7mag, 260Rem, and 6.5CM and it's been superb and likely accounted for more deer, hogs, and yotes than you will in 10 lifetimes, but whatever you say......

Hey Dug, thanks for the report. I appreciate the comparison evaluation. It'd help if you elaborated on what criteria were used for your "sight picture" though. Was it seeing deer in low light, or other things?

That’s funny. And you use a scope from a company that came to market the day before yesterday to support your statement. Thanks for the chuckle. I own a Toric too, it’s just a scope. Relax.

Yeah, and if you would have used a simple search function on this board, instead of running your mouth, you'd have found numerous examples of hunters that use Toric's with great success. Try it next time, you'll avoid looking like a fool.


I use a bunch of scopes BTW, and have for over 51 years of hunting.

Thanks, 4th point.

Squirrels, birds, Johnson grass and leaves blowing in breeze, and a decaying stump about 275 yards away. Just normal stuff. Daylight and lowlight.

FWIW, my most extensive personal lowlight test was done by taking my 6 best combos out and doing the exact same thing. Top 3: Zeiss Victory HT 3-12x56, S&B Klassik 2.5-10x56 and then SteinerNight Hunter Xtreme 2-10x50. All super close. All last well past legal shooting in an open field.

My buddy and I just looked through the scopes and gauged which allowed us to see things longer. Real scientific. LOL!!!

Torics are more than a bit overrated by dumbfuggs who haven't seen it all.


This smokes a Toric in all regards it's not even funny

https://cameralandny.com/shop/stein...0139-c737-00163e90e196?variation=2998875


As does the VX5HD 3-15x44 Windplex CDS which can be had new for $850 all day, if you know where to shop.

Nailed it ☝🏽

Optics, especially what we consider alpha glass is still subjective to each persons eye sight. This is just one reason the optics forum has some hotly debated threads.

I own a fair amount of alpha glass, and my beady eyes have looked through other makers of alpha glass in the field that I haven’t owned.

I got caught in the fanboy traffic when Tract was offering an excellent deal on their Toric UHD 15x56 Schott bins. I bought them with an expectation that they were gonna be the cats ass…Unfortunately for me, the clarity wasn’t much better than the older Vortex HD bins I had.

Then comparing them to my Zeiss Victory and Leica bins, the results were even more diminishing for the Toric bins. I sent them back.

I wasn’t disappointed to the point of saying Tract doesn’t offer quality, alpha glass in some of their products. My eyes just couldn’t realize the clarity, others have claimed. I don’t think anyone is lying. It’s just everyone’s eyesight is different.

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Kinda, but most guys don't actually compare side by side such as you did....and I have. Thus, they fall victim to the "hype"
Fact is Tract are overrated "Nikon's".

Everyone has different eyes, but glass quality is glass quality. And human eyes adapt unless side by side comparisons are given an objective evaluation. That rarely happens, that causes fanboys and bias.......all of which are "not good".

Missinformation abounds

In other words Beav....if somebody claims his toric 15x56 are "better than" your Leica or Swarovski....he's full of sh&it and hasn't had them side by side in the same conditions for a proper eval. Our eyes are too easily adaptable to "blurry [bleep]" to know the diff.


When's the last time you washed your truck window?

In other words.....I think your being too kind. Clear is clear and better is better, no matter ones particular eye site preferences. We're talking optical instruments here.....not eye glass prescriptions.

I live this stuff, so find it hilarious some of people's claims about this optic is "better than this one's". Optics can be measured scientifically for their attributes and downfalls, it's not all subjective. The subjective part mostly comes from people's bullshiit bias...or lack of experience in objective comparison.

A lot of people's perspective is not based in fact or even direct experience. I've literally seen nearly 90 percent of all scopes that have hit the market in the past 5 years.....atleast the ones over $500 to $2500. Most people don't know what the F&&ck They are "talking about"........and it's obvious to those of us who have seen it all.

SW, yeah, I guess. If someone said their Toric Schott bins were as good as Leica , Zeiss Victory, or Swaro’s, I’d say they need their eyes buffed out.

Laffin

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Environment and weather conditions where glass is being used can play a part in what some will call exceptional glass clarity.

Clear, high clouds, a lot of light will make glass look good. Compare that to low, dark rain clouds, fog, thick underbrush and peering into deep canyons and dark timber edges, the same glass won’t be anywhere near as sharp or bright.

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Not to say that ones particular eyes may favor more contrast or deep color vs stark resolution, in two different scopes of very similar glass quality. That happens often, however glass quality is glass quality and the only way to decipher which is best (for your eyes) is to have them side by side on the same day in the same conditions.... switching immediately back and forth with each ocular focus set up for your eye balls. Something that doesn't happen often I can guarantee. Lots of "guessing" going on in the optic field for sure.

Think "eye doctor"...........how does this look, ok
...now this
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Honing in on a prescription quickly before your eye can adapt to the glasses insufficiency

Agreed....long distance also separates alpha glass from "good glass"

Along with Mirage

..a fuggin glass quality ass.kicker

Agreement there.

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Uhh.....the OP was referring to a rifle scope. Binos are a whole different deal.

Yeah, and just like their Binoculars......Tract riflescopes are "over-rated". Maybe not for those gunning deer over corn feeders.

Clearly addressed above for those who want to pay attention.

In particular the 3-15x Toric, which SUCKS in comparison to Leupold VX5HD 3-15x44, Steiner Predator 4-16x50. Both of which can be had for nearly the same coin as the Toric(within $100).

Why does the 15x Toric rifle scope "suck" you might ask.............

Field of View (or lack thereof), large black image around the entire scope body, also called "Vignette", [bleep] reticle options, and mediocre glass quality.

For those who like to enjoy the entire experience of shooting. Solid mechanics, accurate and repeatable tracking are not the only requirements. Glass that is pristine and doesn't make you dizzy is an important attribute. Spending hours in the squirrel fields shooting 800 in a day, or gunning rock chucks out west in mirage, one tends to find out which scopes fit those criteria.

The Tracts would get the job done, but they are nothing special. Yep, i've owned several models of Tract including the same one Doug mentioned in his first post.

I'm not guessing here, but we know who is.

Does anyone have an opinion ? Too f,ucking funny.

The horse has died.

Facts are facts.... opinions are for ass#oles

I seem to recall that sentiment from at least two posters on this thread.

YMMV.


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wow what a thread .....some of you guys take this chit way to serious

Quoted for truth.

There’s a smidge more to it than that. A lot of members will take what some say as gospel and make a buying decision only to be disappointed in what they get.

Many times the true performance of an optic is overrated - not because someone is lying, but rather the conditions where they use their optic isn’t the same as another member.

Mechanics either work consistently or they don’t, and shouldn’t care where you are. Glass clarity is a different story.

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Of course being on the inna net Dug can claim any comparison he wants as we all know , no one lies on the inna net .

I'll be doing a similar comparison this weekend and see what I prefer. Will compare Toric UHD, Tract Response, Optika 6 and NF SHV. I've yet to do this side be side with these, so curious what I'll prefer. Wish I had a Leupold MK5 to compare as well as I'm interested in one of those next.

A fellow isn't allowed his own opinions based on experiences without being called a liar?

I did a little comparison of my own this week after reading this thread. Here's what I thought.
Conditions where overcast / cloudy and late afternoon. I'm 50 years old and color blind. My deficiencies are in the brown and green hue's.
Had 4 rifles with the following scopes on them. This seemed a fair comparison to me,
Tract toric 3-15x42
Nightforce shv 4-14x50
Zeiss Conquest v4 4-16x44
Vortex razor hd lht 3-15x42.
Looking at a target at 100 yards all 4 could see the finest of lines and read the small writing on the targets. At 100 yards there wasn't a lot of difference in clarity but differences in color tones. The razor had the purest view really clean and clear not much off color. The Nightforce was also really crisp as well with very little color differences. Next the zeiss had a little bit of a reddish hue to it. I hadn't notice that before. The toric had a little bit of a greyish hue to it which I had also never noticed before. All where still very usuable.
Next had same target at 300 yards. After some fine tuning I was able to get all 4 where I could read the writing but the thin lines for the 1" squares had disappeared in all but the Vortex razor. The off color hue were much more noticeable on the Zeiss and toric and now had a little bit of an off whiteish color to the nightforce. Lastly I moved them over to a well casing 10"x24" at 500 yards. The sun was getting ready to set and it was pretty dark. There were no visible differences in the 4 as to being able to clearly see the well casing. It hit it with all 4 rifle's first shot. All 4 would easily be useable to kill a deer or pig size animal at dusk. The Vortex clearly held an edge as it got later and started to get dark. Surprisingly though all 4 were useable at 500 yards a half hour after sunset. One last note the reddish hue of the ziess disapeared as it got later. The toric was the first to start getting getting dark followed by the zeiss and nightforce with the razor being put away and still being usable.
Don't know if this will help anyone else but thought I would put it out there.
Conclusion all 4 scopes will work great way past legal shooting light. My eye's did prefer the razor best.
Another note as I also had 2 different range finding binos with me. Leica geovid 3200.com and sig kilo 6K.
The leica's were better in low light optically than all the rest by far when I was leaving at dark they would still range the well casing and I could see it fairly well. The sigs I couldn't make it out but was still getting ranges around it.

You make a good point here. All of those scopes had glass that was perfectly adequate to take an animal at 500 yards and through legal shooting light. That needs to sink in.

To that end, all of those scopes have glass that is plenty good enough. So at this point the comparison should shift to mechanics and reliability. If all have glass good enough, why are we even hung up on glass? Why are we picking nits with the meaningless nuances and subtleties of glass qualities. Why aren’t we analyzing instead which ones will retain zero and track reliably? That’s what matters. This thread is focusing on the wrong qualities for a gun scope.

Because after reading your detailed analysis, one might surmise that the Vortex is the best scope. But is it? Will it retain zero after impact? And track and RTZ as it should? Because if it doesn’t or won’t, it’s certainly not the best scope of that bunch. Draw your own conclusions.

I appreciate the analysis, but the sooner we get over glass as consumers and start demanding what really matters, the sooner we’ll have more quality scope choices.

this statement stuck with me over the years....
scopes are aiming devices and not to be used as binoculars

Give me a fuggin break. The vortex LHT tracks as good or better than any scope that he compared. I've had 3 and literally raped the turrets for several years. Never lost zero, never not tracked. All of the above scopes he compared to will lose zero when dropped on their side from 3' or higher. Not many scopes on the market will withstand that, and if the scope does, the mounting system/bedding system of the rifle will not. In fact, all four of the scopes he compared work quite well and have "nice glass" to boot.

It's obvious to anyone who shoots more than their mouth, that TRACT is over-rated. Just because you haven't compared them side x side like many others, doesn't make it "not so".

Your reality is your reality, and a fuggin $200 Leupold VX2 has "good enough" glass to shoot a deer up until legal light ends.

Is the TRACT good enough.......yep.

Is it "better" as many claim that others in the price category. Not a fuggin chance

I wonder how many bash the sh*t out of their binoculars. Wonder how well they would withstand being dropped 3' multiple times? Particularly if attached to an 8lbs rifle?

I think those who accept shI*tty glass quality in a scope, must not enjoying shooting much. Aiming device or not, I don't wanna be looking through a toilet paper roll with [bleep] stains on the glass. I think, I'll accept the fact that my scope might be a "precision optical device" and treat it as such. Much the same way I treat my rifles, with care. Quality glass and quality mechanics............there are a lot of options in the $700 range and up. Some are better than others. Unfortunately, the only way to know what suits you better than another is to "try them all". Some of us delight in the quest in doing just such.

Anyway, to parrot the OP. The Toric isn't top of the line for the money.

Thanks for the review. Seems in line with what I've found myself, having owned all of those scopes. I'm 39 years old and NOT COLOR BLIND..........so it's interesting that you still came to the same conclusions. Particularly the Zeiss having a reddish hue........YEP, also not that great of resolution. Toric being "Bluish" or Grey I agree, and would ad more of a "black ring" around the image than the others. Razor LHT has pretty damn good color and glass. I find the VX5HD 3-15x44 to have even better contrast than the Razor LHT and mechanics are the same. I've converted to VX5HD 3-15x44 (Blashemy I know)..............for my light rifles. They don't track or hold zero though, I just like the glass quality..........................

Cool, your jets there pal. You are making some pretty far reaching assumptions. I am not a fan of tract. I don’t even like the Toric that I have. My only point is that we see so many of these reviews and comparisons that focus entirely on the glass qualities. I don’t get it. To me, it’s simply way down the list of considerations. But if glass is what’s most important to you, rock on with your bad self. I wish I had known when I was attempting to sell my Swarovski scopes!

Yes and no.

Take tracking out of the equation. The OP was asking/explaining his perception of the glass. I doubt many experienced hunters or shooters use their scopes as binoculars. I know, I don’t.

But, I’ve lost count the times I’ve picked up game animals at first or last light with my bins, then immediately went to my scope to look at heads.

If you’re using an alpha glass scope. You’re seeing the same clarity in your scope as you would be seeing through alpha bins. But, I’m on the gun, holding tight on heads for bone.

If your scope glass qualities suffer in comparison to your bins, there’s a chance, in pub land hunts especially, that another hunter who’s using an alpha scope has already dropped the hammer on the bull or buck you were trying to decipher if it had horns through your binoculars, or while your trying to transition from your binoculars to your rife.

Ask me how many times I got schooled on this lesson in the field?

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Where did the bad Tract scope inappropriately touch you?🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️.

Seriously who gives a crap what other people buy if that’s how they want to spend their money? I looked through dozens of scopes last weekend and some look great to me and some don’t. Some were super expensive and some were not. Everyone’s eyesight is different.

By the way I own one Tract scope and it’s on a 22.

Carry on. The optics forum is never not entertaining

What are some scopes that you like? Always curious what guys are using and pleased with.

Kaleb,

Here’s what I use and have found advantages for in competitive public land hunting.

NightForce NXS 3.5-15x50, NXS 5.5-22x50, SHV F1 4-14x50, Zeiss V6 3-18x50

Multiples of Zeiss V4’s. SWFA SS HD 5-20x50, Schmidt & Bender Klassik 4-16x50, Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44, Leupold VX3 HD 4.5-14x40, Leupold VX-3 LR 4.5-14x50 and I recently sold my Schmidt & Bender PMii Police 4-16x50 to a buddy.

The NightForce scopes sit on all my “I give a shît” rifles for bigger game. The rest ride on various goat/deer guns or varmint rifles.

I would have bought NF Atacr scopes. I’m just not a fan of the 34mm tubes. Hence, the reason I parted ways with the S&B PMii.

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Then why the F&ck are you replying to a thread about a dude who compared a Tract Toric 3-15x to other scopes and found it "less than the hype"

Jezzus..............

Just so happens the OP is correct, that's all Im' saying. When a bunch of nobody's claim that X is better than Y..........you buy X, then find the contrary. It's nice to have some validation that your not as crazy as you thought you may be.

This isn't an opinion thread, tard. It's directly addressing the Tract Toric 3-15x. Do you own one? Have you ever...............yeah, I thought so.

Kaleb,

Here’s a few scopes I would like to tryout. Leupold Mark5 HD 3.6-18x44 35mm tube be damned. I still want to try one.

Vortex LHT Razor 3-15x42 and a Leica Amplus 6 2.5-15x50

I owned a March 1.5-15x42 for a short while. For whatever reason I couldn’t get the parallax to work well enough for my eyes. That aside, the March was a nice scope.

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Hey Tard'..............I mean "pard". Where the Fugg did I state glass quality was the only and solely criteria in a rifle scope for ME. Your reading comprehension is as good as your "guessing". Far reaching assumptions land solidly home to those who can smell your bullsh*t from a mile away. You ever owned an LHT? You ever owned a 3-15x Toric? How many times has your LHT lost it's zero from being dropped? How many times has your XYZ............passed any sort of test. Yeah, keep dreaming.
I've bought and sold more [bleep]*in scopes in the last year than you've peered through in your lifetime. It's RARE, but sometimes people actually have something of value to ad on this forum. Maybe you should take note. Learn to fugg*n read as well.

Swaro rifle scope glass sucks as much D*ck as their mechanics. You sound like someone who buys into the "name". Kinda like the Ziess TERA..............real fuggin nice scopes there......lauphing my as* off

Thank you

Let’s name drop the real alpha scopes out there. The scopes that will set you back a paycheck.

Kahles, S&B, Steiner-military grade, Tangent Theta.

Little help here naming those scope manufacturers whose mechanics are spectacular along with their glass.

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We guided antelope, aoudad, whitetail, mule deer, and varmint hunts for 16 years. Quit doing that going on 7-8 years ago now, before the LR hunting/shooting craze really took hold. Out of these 160 or so hunters we had in camps, the majority of who hunted all over the world and had whatever gear they wanted, the majority had good rifles topped with Leupold scopes of some sort. By far the majority of them wore Swaro glass around their neck. We did have a few NF, Zeiss, S&B, and Swaro scopes as well.

The scopes I still own and use work pretty good for what I'm doing....VX6, VX3, Toric, Elite LRHSi, Athlon Ares and Helos, SWFA, Meopta. Not a fan of Swaro scopes.

Might try those tests in the woods and see what you think. 30 minutes after sunset it’s pretty dark here in the woods, especially on cloudy days, and just any old scope won’t do. In one of my stands there is a lane where I can see about 70 yards. At that range, my MeoPro 3.5-10x44 is done before 30 minutes after sunset on most days. My VX5-HD 3-15x44 is just barely adequate. Maybe glass don’t matter in wide open spaces but it certainly does where I hunt.

My point which went right over your head is why does is matter? Why are you so butthurt if someone finds a scope better than another? How does it affect your everyday life?

I don’t care if it’s Tract or any other brand. What someone chooses to buy with their money is their business and if that purchase makes them happy so be it.

Take a Valium and chill out.

Not many option in 30mm tubes or less.

34mm Tubes

Bushnell DMR3 3.5-21x50 ......All Day Everyday (Tough as a nightfarce with better glass)
Sightron S8 5-40x56 (40mm Tube)...........Heavy as F*ck but glass is outstanding and build quality bomber.....(Did I mention the glass)
New Steiner T6xi 3-18x56 (Msr -2 Reticle) (34mm Tube)........Amazing new scope out recently, made in USA (Glass is phenominal, Mechanics are bomber)

Burris XTR3 5.5-30x56 (34mm Tube) Built like a tank and glass quality pretty damn great in good light. Less CA than a Kahles.

Never seen a Tangent..........but know they are top tier. Never seen a ZCO either.........but know the same

I have responded to the Original Poster RETARD.....................that's the difference between me and you. You have added nothing but bullsh*t...........just look at your post count. Talk about getting a life.

You're sure Screamin Like a Weasle but don't have any bonifides for the Yappin.

You are somewhat right about VX5 but until you can post pictures you got nothin.

How does someone buying are liking a Tractt scope change the course of your life? You seem angry.

By the way I talked to Jon from Tract and never once did he say his scopes could compete with alpha glass. Are they on par with alpha glass, no. Are they decent scopes yes. Are there other scopes in his price points that are better? Maybe but that depends on the eyesight of the person looking through said glass.

Carry on…

Had a nice time shooting the Nucleus 2.0 with custom PVA 1/7 Twist 223 and 88gr ELD's at 2600 FPS out to 1215 yards yesterday..................what did you shoot?

Unlike you..........I do.............

I don't post all over socials for validation. But, just for you.................


SORRY....NO D*CK PICS............JOHNNY BOY




A bolt in 22 Hornet...........CDS works quite nicely with 3150 FPS nosler 40gr BT out to 450yds atleast.

You have a lot of stickers. No game pictures but lots of stickers.

Doesn't effect my life in the least. I just thought I would ad some perspective to the original thread posters experience.....that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. I could care less. Mostly, I just find it amusing all the "guessing" particularly in this forum. You don't know who your talking to, which is fine. However, I've spent more time behind rifle scopes comparing them side x side (out of my own morbid curiosity) than anyone I know of. It doesn't bother me in the least, I don't have an agenda. I just have a passion for shooting and great optics and like to find the best value in such and have a unique perspective to share with those who care to listen. Not everyone cares to spend the time and money comparing optics hourly on a tripod/sidexside to find the benefits and flaws and such of each. I happen to find that intriguing and have the time/money to do same. Carry on with your ignorance, I'm still not sure why you responded to this thread? Have you had experience with the 3-15x Tract Toric............as suggested by the original poster?

Hey RETARD..........this thread is about Scopes, and Scopes only. Particularly the Sh8tty as TRACT line of riflescopes if you go back and read the original post. I can shoot circles around your "huskemaw" pawn shop, [bleep] AR-15 (nobody company) ass all day long "pard".

I"ll buy the plane ticket.............douche

You're to dumb to understand how dumb you are.

God told me not to respond to Retards, but for you I must make an exception. Your the worst kind of human, with the [bleep]*est AR15 Ponzie Schemin company a devil could ask for. Enjoy your [bleep] life, little man. I can guarantee, you wouldn't walk outta here without your tale tucked tight.

Sincerely, Multiple Oregon State Highpower rifle competition champion. 2001, 2002, Oregon Youth Hunter Education Champion. AKA..............kick your ass anyday in the field, somebody.

Enjoy, your Nobody day.........loser.

Funny thing..............your the only person who "owns a successful company"..........that posts daily on the campfire. You win an award, I think. Biggest Douche' goes to you

Bill Wilson tried posting here a few weeks back.

Didn't turn out well and that's not because his company does not make good quality stuff.

Posting on the Fire demands a level of azzhole and persistence few posses.

To be fair it's the kind of environment in which I thrive.

I hope you enjoy your time under my microscope.

You will be the first.

I missed Bill’s posts….What took him into deep water?

Did Bill say Nighthawk makes shît 1911’s?

🦫

I forget not everyone has the enhanced search.

Wilson Barrels

He tried posting under BWilson.

CashLessQueen was the doushe that drove him away.

Thanks Wiz, for the link.

- minion Beav

LOL.

No problem Pard.

As the OP. I can restate my only intent was to give a report on a scope that can only be seen by ordering. The TRACT isn’t alpha glass and didn’t compare well to it for me.

As far as one poster who thinks glass can’t be our top criteria, WHY? It is dark before legal shooting light is over often where I hunt. I don’t dial. Why shouldn’t glass be my top priority? If my hunting needs don’t qualify as criteria, what about if it’s just my preference? I have good binos. It takes great glass to see in a scope what I see with the binos.

Hunting out West isn’t like hunting swampy thickets in AL. I don’t think you’re lacking to buy what you like because it fits your needs. Why do I need to be lacking if I don’t value the same things you do?

Another poster on here insinuates I’m a liar. Yet, on another thread states the Nikon Monarch 5 is as “good as the Big Boys”. Having owned Nikon Monarch 5 and still owning “the Big Boys”, I can clearly tell you the Nikon Monarch 5 isn’t as good as alpha glass. Leupold and Vortex, yes. S&B, Leica, Kahles, no. I’m still not calling that man a liar. Maybe he has the best Monarch 5 ever and I got the worst. Doubt it. But…

If you need me to be a liar or an inferior hunter to make you feel better about your choices, that’s your choice. It won’t change the reality that what I reported here is what I saw.

I hope all of you have a great day.

I responded to this thread because an open forum and I can. I also responded because I’m trying to understand why people on here post visceral responses when they could just respond like gentleman without all the childish BS. We get enough of that on the campfire.

You obviously have a great deal of knowledge of which I am not questioning. As far as “you don’t know who you’re talking to” that is true and I and many others could say the same. As we have personally never met. My original post was in jest that you seemed to have taken personally for that you have my apologies.

As far as experience with the said Tract I have only spoken to Jon multiple times about it and at hunting shows compared it with others as I did last week. My personal opinion is it’s decent but there are better.

As you have a great deal of experience and I do t wish to sidetrack this thread any further perhaps I could send you a PM. I have a question about a brand of scopes I was looking at last weekend and wonder if you have any experience with them.

Again my apologies for side tracking this thread.

Have a good day gentlemen

For the first time in I don't know when, I agree 100% with Burns.

Hoping someones meds show today. Lol

It is the optics forum . . .

I agree and have most on your list, I'm not a Swaro rifle scope fan either. Will probably always have Swaro's around my neck but never again on a rifle

Be kind,tender hearted,and forgiving. This is pleasing to the Lord

For the Tract lovers… I just put a Toric 2–10 X42 back up in the classifieds.

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