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Re: Manners inletting.... 257Bob #18078809 01/30/23
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,050 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,050 Battle Born	Originally Posted by 257Bob Originally Posted by 300MAG I agree but will say this....Manners quality of inletting is a hell of alot better than McMillan......I think McMillan uses a chainsaw to inlet their stocks....very ragged & rough!!! \ I've ordered 7 McMillan stocks in the past two years, #7 arrived Saturday and #8 was ordered Tuesday, they all have fit as expected with M5 fitment perfect and barrel channels very good. Only one I had to send back was for a Christensen Arms rifle where the bolt rubbed against the stock. It worked fine but for the money, I sent it back anyway and they fixed it and had it back to me in three weeks if I recall correctly. I can't imagine waiting months for a stock and then not have it fit. I have in-laws in Kansas City and I had the pleasure of visiting Manners and shouldering some of their stocks. The fellow who was helping me seemed to be smitten with the MS and he could not drag stocks out of the back fast enough for me to try (I couldn't help but think that had I been alone, my experience may have been different). I will tell you that some I thought I'd like I really didn't after shouldering them and others felt really good. The thing that impressed me the most is there was a young woman doing shipping prep and she had a pile of boxes to label and they just kept coming. I like their stocks and patterns but I don't have the patience to spend $800 and hope it might fit. McMillan may not be as cool as Manners but they make it a lot easier and the wait is about 10 weeks based on my purchases. This is the one I installed Saturday, barrel clears the stock up to the receiver by the thickness of a piece of paper. And that is when guys swear they are getting POI shift when using a bi-pod and thinking that is normal. Not enough freefloat IMHO. Anytime that stock gets touched by the stock it affects harmonics and accuracy. A well tuned rifle will shoot the same, regardless if it's in the bags on a bench or on the ground shooting in prone off of a bipod. The reason you hear some guys say that if it's going to be freefloated, it better be generously freefloated. I'll bet if you flex that forend, it will touch the barrel pretty easily.. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

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Re: Manners inletting.... bsa1917hunter #18079206 01/30/23
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota JRGunmaker Campfire Member
JRGunmaker Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota	Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter Particularly the pre 64 model 70 inletting. You don't know how many times I've had to fix this: Inlet looks right, guard looks like the guy that designed it knew nothing about stockmaking. gunmaker ------------------ Custom Metalsmith & Stockmaker

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18091967 02/02/23
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,854 The LBK......TX 2 257heaven Campfire Ranger
257heaven Campfire Ranger 2 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,854 The LBK......TX	Had a problem with a Manners. They did resolve the issue, but I knew I was done with them. Haven’t ordered a McMillan in a long time, but have bought a few second hand lately. My last 3 custom orders have been through AG Composites. I’m a fan and will use them again if I have a need. Sent from my Dingleberry Handheld Wireless

Re: Manners inletting.... JRGunmaker #18093554 02/03/23
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker
Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory	Originally Posted by JRGunmaker Inlet looks right, guard looks like the guy that designed it knew nothing about stockmaking. Bingo! It only works in the factory stocks because they were just as poorly designed. Good shootin' -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18094169 02/03/23
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,665 S.W. Wis L LEADMINER Campfire Regular
LEADMINER Campfire Regular L Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,665 S.W. Wis	Curious...don't mean to get off track...how would you make it fit better without grinding back of trigger guard?

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Re: Manners inletting.... LEADMINER #18094956 02/03/23
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,236 Gallatin Gateway Mt. B BangPop Campfire Regular
BangPop Campfire Regular B Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,236 Gallatin Gateway Mt.	Originally Posted by LEADMINER Curious...don't mean to get off track...how would you make it fit better without grinding back of trigger guard? You don't. The trigger guard is the issue.

Re: Manners inletting.... LEADMINER #18095650 02/03/23
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker
Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory	Originally Posted by LEADMINER Curious...don't mean to get off track...how would you make it fit better without grinding back of trigger guard? The issue starts when a customer orders a stock pattern that clearly isn't going to accept the Model 70 bottom metal well. That's one of the reasons that McMillan condensed some of their offerings. Certainly, the stock companies should be advising customers of these cosmetic issues. When I do them, it really depends on the stock....whether it's a molded in pattern or one that going to be painted. How open the grip is plays a big part. I also have a supply of long discontinued genuine Winchester pre-64 steel trigger guards where the moronic angled rear section is flat. Good shootin' -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18096471 02/03/23
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota JRGunmaker Campfire Member
JRGunmaker Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 296 Western South Dakota	In another lifetime I sold hot rod parts & accessories. Not much difference here. If you're looking for a factory fit, buy a factory part. Custom parts require customizing. I do agree with Al that the aftermarket parts makers could give some heads up. gunmaker ------------------ Custom Metalsmith & Stockmaker

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18097443 02/04/23
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,207 Phoenix MikeS Campfire Regular
MikeS Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,207 Phoenix	I have a couple of those Hunters Edge stocks on pre 64s and was advised when ordering of the trigger guard fit by Lynn. No biggie for me, custom rifles were meant to be customized. Too close for irons, switching to scope...

Re: Manners inletting.... beretzs #18097742 02/04/23
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Hondo64d Campfire Tracker H Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country	Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by 300MAG I agree but will say this....Manners quality of inletting is a hell of alot better than McMillan......I think McMillan uses a chainsaw to inlet their stocks....very ragged & rough!!! I haven't ever seen one that was that bad myself. I guess everyone lets out a stinker now and again, and I am sure I am due for one after 25+ thru the years. I did have one that I sold on a Tikka not too long ago that was cracked in the inletting, McM took it back, repaired it and all is good now. It’s not that Manners inletting quality is bad, it’s not. The problem I’ve had with them is I can’t recall a single order where they actually got the order correct and inletted to the specs I requested. The quality of their stocks is excellent. The difficulty is in them producing what you requested. John If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

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Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18098068 02/04/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,312 Durham, CA Higginez Campfire Ranger
Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,312 Durham, CA	The last Manners I ordered was pretty close. I only had to file in a few places to get the M5 DBM to drop in. $900+ stock. I'm sure Tom is embarassed about the schidty inletting they continue to crank out, but with the high demand, I'd imagine it's easy to get over with a short trip to the bank. Sucks for the end user, but welcome to 2023. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18099121 02/04/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 7,722 TN K Kaleb Campfire Outfitter
Kaleb Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 7,722 TN	Well said Hig

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18099392 02/04/23
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,641 South of I-10 B Borchardt Campfire Tracker
Borchardt Campfire Tracker B Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,641 South of I-10	I have three LH Tikkas in Manners stocks, dropped right in, shoot way better than I do, and they look good. Imagine a corporate oligarchy so effective, so advanced and fine tuned that its citizens still call it a democracy.

Re: Manners inletting.... JRGunmaker #18101347 02/05/23
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker
Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory	Originally Posted by JRGunmaker In another lifetime I sold hot rod parts & accessories. Not much difference here. If you're looking for a factory fit, buy a factory part. Custom parts require customizing. Whether it's rifles or at the race shop, I never expect anything to fit w/o moving some metal around. 'Drop in' stocks and ones with molded in pillars are really a joke. It's always better to get a basic inlet done and have the maker just put pilot holes in for the action screws. That way, you can do the pillars correctly. This 'big name' stock had the molded in pillars in there so janky, it was stupid. When I put it on the mill to bore them out, they just pushed right out...no end mill needed. Action screw holes correctly spaced and cut for .625 custom pillars: Here you can see the bottom metal inletting has been milled to correct the fit: Countersunk pillars: I can't imagine being twitterpated over a few file strokes on a piece of hardware. If all this was easy, it would be in a bubble pack on the shelves at WalMart. Good shootin' -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18101543 02/05/23
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,873 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger
AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,873	Man you do nice work Al!

Re: Manners inletting.... AKwolverine #18101563 02/05/23
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,643 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger
SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,643 Midwest	Originally Posted by AKwolverine Man you do nice work Al! +1. Very cool. WWP53D

Re: Manners inletting.... Al_Nyhus #18101999 02/05/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,312 Durham, CA Higginez Campfire Ranger
Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,312 Durham, CA	Originally Posted by Al_Nyhus I can't imagine being twitterpated over a few file strokes on a piece of hardware. If all this was easy, it would be in a bubble pack on the shelves at WalMart. Good shootin' -Al Thing is Al, Badger makes M5 bottom metal across the street from Manners. It's only a matter of setting up a cnc to make the proper cut and on a $900+ stock with an 8+ month wait, it's not too much to ask that it drops in. I've ordered a bunch of McMillans and not had any issues. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: Manners inletting.... SKane #18102017 02/05/23
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker
Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory	Originally Posted by AKwolverine Man you do nice work Al! Originally Posted by SKane +1. Very cool. Thank you both very much...appreciate it. I'm used to fab-ing or modifying whatever needs tweaking at the race shop. It's pretty straight forward: - Decide what you want the end result to be. - Decide what you need to do to get there. This Model 99 was particularly satisfying to do. A 'clean sheet of paper' pillar bedding job turned this gun into a reliable, consistent performer: It's not a 17+ lb. Benchrest gun....though that's supposedly all I work on..... Good shootin' -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: Manners inletting.... JCMCUBIC #18102048 02/05/23
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,236 Gallatin Gateway Mt. B BangPop Campfire Regular
BangPop Campfire Regular B Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,236 Gallatin Gateway Mt.	The only problem I've had with McMillan is them missing the big picture. I ordered a HTG adjustable with M5 inletting. Stock #1 shows up 6 months later as a HTG adjustable with BDL inletting. A few months go by and I order the same stock as the original order. 5 months later stock #2 shows up as a HTG non adjustable with M5 inletting. Order a third time. 5 months later I get what I ordered 20 months earlier. Their inletting was spot on, they just screwed up the order 2 times. I've never ordered a Manners because their inletting has been $hitty forever.

Re: Manners inletting.... Higginez #18102221 02/05/23
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker
Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,437 Lower Dakota Territory	Originally Posted by Higginez Thing is Al, Badger makes M5 bottom metal across the street from Manners. It's only a matter of setting up a cnc to make the proper cut and on a $900+ stock with an 8+ month wait, it's not too much to ask that it drops in Oh....I savvy all that, believe me. But that doesn't change the reality. The sooner people come to grips that 'drop in' stocks aren't...and can't be...truly 'drop in', the better. Some are reasonably close, some are truly awful and the vast majority are in the middle someplace. Why would we ever want to subject ourselves to what someone sends us? Instead of the tail wagging the dog, take control of the project and do it the way you want it done in the first place. Good shootin' -Al Forbidden Zoner

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