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"Not mine, but thy will be done." His choice is always for the will of the Father. Even with the start of the prayer, i.e., "Father, if it be thy will."

Matthew 26:39 NASB
And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying,
“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will,
but as You will.”

It's clear Jesus wanted out of the crucifixion.
but he submitted to the will of higher authority.

You left out "if it be possible." In other words, Jesus chose to adopt his Father's will as his own, regardless of what his human nature might have been pushing him towards. It's human nature to prefer not to suffer. Nevertheless, even crucified, he could have asked his Father, and he would have commanded more than twelve legions of angels to destroy the Empire and bring him off the cross. Their wills were, however, as one on the matter of the Crucifixion. This was why he came into the world.

No, he did not want out of the crucifixion. His human nature merely repulsed against it. His will was completely with that of his Father's, as he made clear with "if it be possible." Not being possible to accomplish the task otherwise, his will was united with that of his Father.

He asked for the chance to escape crucifixion
if Big Daddy would permit such.
So another case of divine intervention
when he indicated 'no dice' son.


So it was all divinely pre-determined.

Your conclusion is contradicted by the following statement by Christ, which he said to Peter after the prayer you cite; "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" That totally belies your assertion that his Father refused his prayer to be spared the crucifixion. In other words, the Father would answer Jesus's prayer for twelve legions of angels to destroy the Temple guards, if only Jesus were to ask it of him. But he didn't ask it. Sounds like his will was to permit the guards to take him, and to suffer all that was to follow from that. Why? Because that was his Father's will, and his will was united with that of his Father.

It was the plan, in accordance with what God knew from the beginning would be the sinful choices made by men.

Go on...

I believe I was the last to deliver the ball into the opposing court.

PS Prescience in no way contradicts free will, if that's what you're suggesting.

And theists tend to avoid questioning the tennants of their faith.

Decisions are not willed, they are undertaken by the neural architecture of a brain, information processsing, not free will enables our ability to think and act.

Jesus asked if it's 'possible' he be permitted
to not drink from the cup...Why bother asking
such if the outcome is already predetermined?

It's also kinda odd that someone who is allegedly
fully g0d, would need to pray to g0d for direction.


So Adam /Eve were set up and fugged from day one.

He wasn't actually asking, but rather giving words to the impulse of his flesh to avoid suffering. We know what Jesus's will was by what he chose to do. The Father didn't say no to a request by Christ to avoid The Passion. We know this because, after the prayer you cite, Jesus says to Peter (who was ready to use force to protect him from the guards), "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" That statement by Christ contradicts your assertion that Christ's will was to avoid The Passion. Had that been his will, he would have prayed for and received the twelve legions of angels.

Nope. They exercised their free will to do what they did. There was no set up. God achieved his will despite, and through, the sinful choices made by human beings, known by him from the beginning.

Sure he was , asking on the 'possibility'
means hes looking for a chance of getting
out of it...daddy permitting.

We disagree. I believe I proved it above.

g0d clearly sent the wisest craftiest creature
to trick the most naive folks in the world.
but you don't think it's a set Up?

Except scripture (26:39) says he was looking for
the possibility/chance of escaping crucifixion,
daddy permitting.

That's not a proper citation, since it's missing the book.

Assuming Matthew, we've been through it.

My interpretation is supported by what Christ said to Peter with regard to twelve legions of angels.

LoL.. it refers to the 'Matthew 26:39 NASB' I cited
earlier you fool...Are you really that thick?