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One is always better off if you employ all 3 “Ses” of the 3 “S” rule.
Shoot
Shovel and
Shut the hell up!
Hopefully this fellow will be exonerated, and his neighbors buy him a box of shells.
But under the current management system, illegal Mexicans-are more highly valued than American citizens.
Reon

Liberals are rats with a human face.

Any bets if Team Biden now swoops in and charges George Kelly with some Federal crime? Send in the "Pull Rope" investigation Team?

A good reason to S.S.S.

Shut up was the main rule he violated. If he had made no reports or statements he would have never been charged.

Believe me, I know. You do not need to say anything. If they start threatening, you need to very clearly and politely say “I am not going to say anything until I have the advice of my attorney “. Then you say “goodbye “

As have MANY (some of whom you have disparaged in this thread), you know nothing about - much like the border debacle.

BTW, where are you from - to have such intimate knowledge of the border, and it's problems?
It ain't like it was back in the '60's and '70's, by a LONG shot!

They need to give him a pat on the back and let him go home. His home was being invaded, he was threatened, and he acted normally.

The should have presented him with a medal, for doing what our Border Patrol should be doing. Shooting illegal alien invaders.

Now the Mexican consulate is urging the county attorney to refile charges to appease the dead man’s family. This whole thing is political. They have a dead illegal so someone has to pay. The illegal shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Our government shouldn’t be creating an atmosphere that encourages them to come here.

I think in this day and age, the Fifth Amendment is best. Say absolutely nothing until you have counsel present.

Good advice. What if it turns out the guy was mute? Or knew no English? Or was witnessed to be silent and still? Saying he threatened you might be a provable lie. Then you have lost credibility. Saying you were in fear for your life is probably ok. Still probably good to say you’d like your attorney present before making a statement. The words you choose may determine the entire outcome.

This is the way to handle it. Don't lie, tell your wife to stay quiet. Plead the 5th. Don't present any weapons for them to inspect. Your lawyer can tell them what needs to be told. If you make statements the police may embellish the report. There is NOTHING to be gained by talking and everything to lose.

Odds are more than 50%of the jury will be Latino, count on it.
PJ

Hastings,
Absolutely correct. There is nothing that you can say on the scene to LE to stop the legal process that is required to take place. It it best to leave the talking to a lawyer. Unfortunate as that may be, it is the best way to handle it in today's world.

“Hello border patrol? Yeah, ok, there’s a dead guy on my property. What’s that? Yeah, a dead guy. Huh? No, that’s all I know. Nope. That’s it. Bunch of illegals came through my property and I was out checking for damage. He dedt. Nope, that’s it. “

There are four counties along the Mexican border, Cochise, Santa Cruz, Pima and Yuma. I would not be surprised to learn the third sheriff was Mark Dannels from Cochise County. I have zero confidence he will support our constitutional rights when the time comes. Larry Devers and Gabrielle Gifford were very outspoken about immigration policies and constitutional rights. Larry is dead and Gabrielle is just a shell.

The Barnett family has a ranch along the border and several years ago they detained some illegals at gunpoint until the border patrol arrived. Lawsuits were filed and the illegals got a huge monetary settlement. That might be the incident mentioned earlier in this discussion.

^^^^THIS!!!^^^^

If he was going to call the USBP, that should have been his only statement. Period.

Myself, I’d have let the coyotes, buzzards, and feral hogs take care of it. A body wouldn’t last more than a few weeks around here.
Buzzards gotta eat too. 😜

Since this happened I have followed it somewhat because I can envision myself in that same situation and try to think how I would handle it. Not sure about firing warning shots. I think if I did I would fire into the ground. On the other hand I think warning shots would alert the illegals and put them on defense which might not be in my favor. I’m thinking the best thing to do is observe from a concealed position, armed of course, and not do anything unless absolutely necessary. If possible just let them pass through and move on.

If you have to take action I think it best the authorities only hear one side of the story. As far as contacting the authorities, I’m not sure that is a good idea. But if you did the above statement would suffice.

"Officer, I was in fear for my life. I cannot say anything more without my attorney being present."

L.W.

I usually agree with most everything you say, LW, but not in this case. The less said the better.

Libertards in AZ are using this case to illegally prosecute a man that was defended his property from Illegal Trespassers. More Leftist Political Bullschitt.
Nothing more. Rancher should have been no billed. Period.
Unfortunately, being honest and volunteering info he shouldn’t of got him prosecuted. 🤪

He should have never even offered up the info that he fired “warning shots”.