Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles Moderate deer and target loads for 7mm Rem Mag?

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PJ

STAIRSTEP LOADING THE MAGNUMS
From HANDLOADER MAGAZINE #44 July-August 1973---Article by John Wooters

.300 Win. Mag.
Bullet Weight: 30-06 .308 WCF 30-40 Krag 30-30
150 gr. 62.5 gr./4895 60.0 gr./4895 56.0 gr./4064 45.0 gr./4064

180 gr. 57.0 gr./3031 55.0 gr./4064 50.0 gr./4895


7MM Rem. Mag.
Bullet Weight: .280 Rem./ .284 WCF/7MM Express 7x57 Mauser
140 gr. 57.0 gr./4320 54.0 gr./4895

160 gr. 52.0 gr./4064 50.0 gr./4895

175 gr. 51.0 gr./4064 50.0 gr./4320


.358 Norma Magnum
Bullet Weight: .350 Rem. mag./.35 Whelen .358 Win.
200 gr. 59.0 gr./4064 53.0/3031

250 gr. 56.0 gr./4895 54.0 gr./3031


.458 Win. Mag.
Bullet Weight: 45/70
400 gr. 42.0 gr./4198

why not download a 7 mag ?

I am going to pass on a 7 mag and a 264 to my grandsons. I expect their dad , who is a reloader , can cook up some moderate loads for the boys to shoot until they are ready for the full power stuff

Why not download a 7mm-08? Probably a a better download choice for kids (I have no experience downloading a 7mm Rem Mag but I do with a 7mm-08).

Full loads from a 7mm-08 kill elk just fine.




P

I’ve used to load quite a bit. Would not call it reduced. Hasbeen

According to Nosler that’s their max load.

Wouldn’t give that to a little kid.




P

I guess I don't get it. Is the idea to load reduced loads your idea or your nephew's? Certainly you can do whatever you'd like. I got my first 7 mag when I was 14, running full power loads since day 1 and don't know why you would start with anything else.

Teach your nephew proper shooting form.

Assure the gun has a quality recoil pad. My 6mm Rem with a steel but plate hurts my shoulder more than my 7 mag with a recoil pad.

Make the hand loads with nothing heavier than 140 grain bullet. The 139 gr Hornady is a great choice for deer. If you were going for Elk, Moose, Bear, then I could understand a higher quality and heavier bullet. But you said he is going to hunt deer. 140 bullet is all he'll ever need.

Get him a military sling and show him how to shoot with it.

Then let him shoot the gun he bought.

Don't insist on fixing a problem that does not exist.

I would spend some time looking for slower burning powder. IMR or H4831SC, RE22, H1000, MagPro. IMR7828. The H4350 is workable, but I would stay away from IMR 4064.

it makes more sense to load a cartridge down, if you don't need a full power load... like practicing off season...

its easier on your equipment, your barrel, your shoulder..

its also easier to load a 7 Rem Mag down.... then try to do the opposite with a 7/08....

cast bullet manuals are your friends and have a lot of loads... and using with Jacketed bullets is no issue at all...



I work a lot with kids... via Boy Scouts, and I've been doing that for years.. decades really...

Last season one boy inherited Grandpa's favorite hunting rifle....a 300 Win mag.. and the kid was 12...

Loaded the case up with a 150 grain Ballistic Tip, and for powder 22 grains of Unique....MV was 2000 fps...

the load is milder than a light load in a 300 Savage, or a 30/40 Krag etc. 30/30 performance, and kicks less....

that way the kid can grow into the rifle...and yeah, he scored his deer last season... 100 to 125 yds...and didn't blow the deer to hell and back..

could accomplished the same thing with a 7/08.. but the boy had a 300 Win Mag instead...22 grains of powder, the recoil was not much to have to handle...

just another perspective...

shot a coyote myself, not that long ago.... at 200 yds...

243, 70 grain TNT, 15 grains of Unique... dropped him on the spot.. just a target of opportunity. recoil light enough, newer lost sight picture of him in the scope after pulling the trigger...

Times like this... economy is your friend... keeps ya shooting a lot longer and more, while others are scrabbling to purchase ammo.. and non of it is cheap....

Been shooting a 7 mm rem mag since I was 15 full throttle loads when I want a lighter load I shoot my 7x57 or 7-08. Unless one is really careful and well organized having multiple power level ammo laying around is setting yourself up for a cluster r f u c k....mb

Well said.. and we've both seen some of these guys loading rooms/areas. For fugg sake!!! "Well organized" is not the first thing that comes to my mind!!!

Got a 120TTSX for serious work and a 150GK at 2700 fps for “relaxed” hunting. Both work great and no problem telling them apart😉

ST what's your 120 TTSX load? Got a 7 Rem I'd like to work up a load for and don't mind cheating some with others hard work

It’s IMR4831. Don’t recall the charge. Will have to look when I get home. Dropped my personal best buck in his tracks last year.

Thanks ST, recall the speed on that load?

Nothing different about loading for a belted case vs non belted...............work off the shoulder as normal.

My only comment is that it's really silly to buy a rifle chambered for long range hunting, then want to use it for short range hunting & loading it down because recoil at full throttle is a problem. But if you only have one gun, I guess you have no choice.............but that's not really a great one-gun choice as the OP pointed out.

You can load it down, to some degree, but 2800-3000 FPS (with what bullet?) really isn't loading it down much.

Faster powders than 4350 of either flavor would likely be the best direction & you'd need to, nominally, get 150's down to 2600 FPS or so, or equivalent with something lighter..............I've loaded '06's & 270's down that low, but not any magnum cases, so whatever you do, good luck.

MM

Why is the common thought process that we have to run guns full throttle, all the time for every situation? Sounds like a great way to sell guns but there's definitely a smarter way to skin that cat.

If I take the 22-250 out in the desert I can hunt jackrabbits around the haystacks with 40 grain bullets and a little dose of pistol powder at 30 or 40 yards for an hour or two, then pick up and walk a few miles kicking them out of the brush and take running shots with 222 power mid range loads, then if I want to call for coyotes, depending on the setup and potential shot distances involved, I can shoot mid or hot loads.

All ammunition is simply marked different colors with a Sharpie and you have a perfect walkabout combination. Same with woods walking. Grouse loads, mid loads for deer at moderate ranges, full loads for cross canyon shooting.

The only trick involved is making them all shoot to some semblance of uniformity. Obviously if one load shoots 3" left of the others, that's going to be problematic remembering. But up and down variations can actually work in your favor for different ranges.

I can understand the "If you own a Ferrari, drive 150 mph" argument, but even Ferraris have a gas pedal so you can control how fast you go, right? LOL

Boy that's cool right there. Wish I had some of that powder to play with.

A little over 3200, IIRC. Plenty for my use