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You guys jump all over someone that posts a picture of a gun and you pick out a knit picking flaw and hammer the hell out of it,. Say NO WAY would the QC department let a flawed gun out of the factory like that, Yet you THINK this gun may have left the factory in this state with the blessing of quality control. You are beating a dead horse. Hopefully the guy that owns it will be happy. I first saw that and actually laughed. PT Barnum was a smart man.
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You guys jump all over someone that posts a picture of a gun and you pick out a knit picking flaw and hammer the hell out of it,. Say NO WAY would the QC department let a flawed gun out of the factory like that, Yet you THINK this gun may have left the factory in this state with the blessing of quality control. You are beating a dead horse. Hopefully the guy that owns it will be happy. I first saw that and actually laughed. PT Barnum was a smart man. If it's factory, I don't think it left there as part of a production run. My question is whether it could be a prototype/test gun. Unlikely, but the parts and the serial number range raise it as a possibility. And for non-production guns, a perfect fit wasn't necessary. Or even an employee made gun. Roe Clark made up a couple of guns out of older parts he found at the factory, his 1895 Anniversary rifle is coming up. It's not the fit and finish that the production Anniversary rifles were, but it's a factory gun.
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I have his Fox Sterlingworth 16ga field grade that he turned into a 45-70 double rifle. That doesn't suggest that this odd ball sale will prove or disprove anything. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Fs8KH8Qx/dont-beat-a-dead-horse.jpg)
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You guys jump all over someone that posts a picture of a gun and you pick out a knit picking flaw and hammer the hell out of it,. Say NO WAY would the QC department let a flawed gun out of the factory like that, Yet you THINK this gun may have left the factory in this state with the blessing of quality control. You are beating a dead horse. Hopefully the guy that owns it will be happy. I first saw that and actually laughed. PT Barnum was a smart man. If it's factory, I don't think it left there as part of a production run. My question is whether it could be a prototype/test gun. Unlikely, but the parts and the serial number range raise it as a possibility. And for non-production guns, a perfect fit wasn't necessary. Or even an employee made gun. Roe Clark made up a couple of guns out of older parts he found at the factory, his 1895 Anniversary rifle is coming up. It's not the fit and finish that the production Anniversary rifles were, but it's a factory gun. Question: Does chewing bubble gum cure warts? Answer: Maybe....but probably not...
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Another gun that sold off gunbroker back in December. Serial number 512,xxx. Checkering has obviously been modified, barrel is 24", front sight isn't a T sight. It should be a 1948 rifle. But a RT style forearm with the flat bottomed studs again. Rick, EG or R buttstock? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/957786851![[Linked Image from p1.gunbroker.com]](https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/957786000/957786851/pix387507323.jpg)
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I could get behind that one.
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Too many holes. In all the wrong places.
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Also not a great forearm fit on that one. Paul Jaeger side mount, fyi. ![[Linked Image from p1.gunbroker.com]](https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/957786000/957786851/pix641594603.jpg)
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The extra holes aside, I'd have an easier time being convinced it left the factory with those parts screwed together than the first one we saw...
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I’d say that GB 99 has a prewar EG buttstock. It just doesn’t look R to me and like prewar stocks it doesn’t have that pronounced hunch/hump that Savage added to the wood behind the tang that you see in 50s vintage EGs.
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I had the opportunity to place a 30-30 RT and a 30-30 checkered EG side by side a few months ago. Except for the forearms these were identical rifles.
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Yep, agree. 99G/99K/99EG/99T all had the same buttstocks in the 30's, and same receivers (99K receiver obviously is engraved and better finished, and stock fancy walnut).
A 1950's 99F should be the same dimensions, just hollowed out under the buttplate.
The prewar 99R and postwar 99R had slightly larger buttstocks and buttplates.
Somebody here compared a 99RT forearm to a 99T forearm, and found it to be slightly different. 99RT a bit shorter, iirc?
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Yep, agree. 99G/99K/99EG/99T all had the same buttstocks in the 30's, and same receivers (99K receiver obviously is engraved and better finished, and stock fancy walnut).
A 1950's 99F should be the same dimensions, just hollowed out under the buttplate.
The prewar 99R and postwar 99R had slightly larger buttstocks and buttplates.
Somebody here compared a 99RT forearm to a 99T forearm, and found it to be slightly different. 99RT a bit shorter, iirc? That was Rod (Phil99?)that took those measurements with a caliper. And I think there were considerable differences. That was some time ago. Somebody could probably dig up that old thread if they were motivated enough. I am not. 😁
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Okay okay.... Old thread (2013): https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-rt-what-do-we-know-for-sure#Post8001715Well I had a lot of jobs to do around the house this weekend, so I decided to ignore them and make some measurements on the T and RT forearms from the rifles I've got.
Granted, I've only got one example of each, so this isn't very scientific, but here's what I came up with:
Overall length: T 10.375" RT 10.5"
Width, measured at widest point:
1" from receiver T 1.755" RT 1.781"
2" from receiver T 1.763" RT 1.786"
3" T 1.748" RT 1.786"
4" T 1.690" RT 1.753"
5" T 1.655" RT 1.730"
6" T 1.635" RT 1.725"
7" T 1.605" RT 1.705"
8" T 1.580" RT 1.670"
9" T 1.565" RT 1.655"
10" T 1.495" RT 1.535"
The RT forearm is much flatter on the bottom, and more triangular in its contour compared to the T.
To me, this difference in dimensions between these two parts suggests pretty strongly that the RT is not a "parts gun" or a cobbled together "lunchbox special." It looks to me like the RT forearm is clearly not just a T forearm with a different checkering pattern, but an entirely different part.
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The prewar 99R and postwar 99R had slightly larger buttstocks and buttplates. I had a circa-1933 99R and, if I remember correctly, the comb had flutes and the length of pull certainly felt longer than any EG I had. Though I don't think I ever measured it.
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The checkered area on the T forearm is much larger than on an RT.
Last edited by BillR; 02/12/23. Reason: added information
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On the second one? Yes. I think an owner tried to change RT checkering into T checkering.
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Rick, EG or R buttstock? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/957786851[/quote] EG butt and T forearm. The checkering wraps to far under the forearm to be a R or RT. Checkering on the R and RT stops just past the bottom edge.
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With that butt plate looks like an R to me.
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