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If you reload, put a 120gr bullet at about 2700fps and it will be a pussycat to shoot.
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And put a Zeiss V4 on it for the WIN!  (still loving all mine)
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7-08 is a ballistic twin to 308 with the same recoil. On paper it is a LITTLE better than 308, but we're talking about somewhere around 2" less drop at 500 yards and about 35 ft lbs more energy at that range when best loads are fired in each. 308 is about 1/2 the thickness of a dime larger in diameter. I like the 7-08 in theory but could never pick one over the more common 308. But I won't argue with someone who prefers the 7-08. They are REALLY close in performance, but 308 has always been easier, and cheaper to find.
The 6.5 does everything 270 does with recoil closer to 243. It shoots the same bullet weights as 270 about 150-200 fps slower at the muzzle. But the more aerodynamic 6.5 bullets come pretty close to catching up at 300 yards. I can't imagine any animal noticing the difference between 270, 6.5CM or 7-08.
Since I already own 308 and 30-06 going with 6.5CM was my best option. Recoil and ammo availability were also big factors for me. But depending on what you already have 7-08 might be more appealing to you. lmao .. the reason silhouette shooters basically invented and adopted a 7-08 for many years what's the simple fact that record last with the same BC bullet. in other words the 708 shoots the same BC bullet with similar trajectory with less weight in the bullet so it recoils less. I understand people that do not shoot many rounds do not get this. that when you shoot from 80 to 240 in a day or a weekend accumulative recoil adds up. that's also another reason the 6.5's are fairly popular. even back when the 708 will be coming legitimized by sammi many of us were already shooting the 308 neck down to a 6.5 which made now known as a 260.... the limiting factor is if you got enough bullet weight impacting a Target to knock over at least for the silhouette shooting...
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This question has been on my mind, because I want to get my youngest daughter set up for deer/maybe elk. I have a 7-08 Mountain Rifle I would give her, but part of me feels like the 6.5 CM would have a better chance of really getting shot more by her down the road, simply because of easy ammo availability. I reload, but she doesn’t, and her life has her bopping all around the wild areas of the great West, so ammo availability could be key. As others mentioned, Hornady did a great job supporting this one (still waiting for 6mm ARC brass though, haha) and ammo is everywhere and, I hear, generally very good. So I say 6.5 CM if ammo availability matters to the OP. I’ve killed an antelope and a blacktail buck with a 6.5 140 ELDM from my slightly faster 6.5 GAP 4S, and it worked great, but that’s the extent of my 6.5 killin’. I’m a big 7-08 fan and have used it to great effect on a bunch of deer from a couple different rifles with several different bullets. As pharm said, 140 Accubond and go huntin’. It might literally be the most perfect deer huntin’ cartridge ever made. If minimizing recoil is an issue, and especially if shooting a lot at your max range is in the cards, the 6.5 CM with 147’s will be a noticeable notch down in recoil from the 7-08 with 162’s. Not that you need 162’s for 400 yards but if you ever tried them, there’s no going back. 7-08 or 6.5 CM is a pretty great problem to have. There’s no wrong choice there. Go away troll……..
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I'd suggest a tikka in 7/08 and a good 3-9x40 scope. You'll be set for life.
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7mm-08 is a better cartridge in my book, wider bullet makes up for some of the downfalls in a 6.5… although with current situations ammo availability in 6.5 is better. Might give 6.5 prc a look as it bridges the gap between the 2 "Bridges the gap between the 2". That had me rolling. The 6.5 and 7mm08 are really like 2 peas in a pod. Generally the 6.5 edges out the 7 in precision/accuracy and factory ammo is much easier to find for the 6.5. As well as it is much easier to find components for the 6.5. One reason I'll be shooting one of my creedmoors here in a bit and the 7mm08 sits in the safe. Those that don't get it, may never understand, but that is the simple facts of the matter.. Mathman was trying to steer the OP in the easier direction, but you know what they say about leading a horse to water. By the way, keep those jokes coming. That was a good one about bridging a gap with the PRC.. Speaking of rolling. A 1 moa target (at any range, in any wind) will be a cake walk for any of my 6.5 cm rifles... Carry on though... Every time bsa posts I roll my eyes…. When you learn, maybe you will understand. I'm sorry you are only mediocre at best. Maybe you should take up golf or something more along your skill set. Knitting??? Post some pics of you full length sizing tips….. you know just for a good laugh!
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I'd suggest a tikka in 7/08 and a good 3-9x40 scope. You'll be set for life. My exact setup. Stainless T3, CDS Leupold. I handload too. P
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Late to the party. Both excellent calibers.
If you reload. 7-08
If you don’t reload, 6.5 CM. 130s. Shoot flatter and hit hard in normal hunting ranges rather than 140s. IMHO 140s you need PRC.
If you plan on bigger than deer 7-08
Edit.
I reload and bought my 6.5, before Covid.
Deciding factor was S&B box of ammo was 10.99 for fmj and 11.99 for PSP.
7-08 was double that
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Hard not to like a 7mm08…. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/bv92hZdp/78564165-D208-4-D6-D-9-DED-D83075-DCBCA4.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/dk1xxxqW/8626620-B-6-B5-B-4985-B1-D9-8-CDCC51-ABAE4.jpg)
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Looking to buy a new Tikka rifle, torn between a 6.5CM or 7mm/08, will use for Deer hunting mostly, any pros or cons Get both of em.😁
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Hard not to like a 7mm08…. Nice! Have one sort of similar..... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/RVjdqEa.jpg)
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They are basically the same thing. Not one thing I wouldn't shoot with one I wouldn't shoot with the other. Love the 7-08 but the 6.5 Creed is the easy button these days....
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I’m a big 7-08 fan .... It might literally be the most perfect deer huntin’ cartridge ever made.
........ Over the past several years, I've come to regard the 6.5 CM as the perfect chambering for a "deer" rifle. I don't mean that as a slight on any other round. It's not like there is a shortage of chamberings that will work for deer.
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They are basically the same thing. Not one thing I wouldn't shoot with one I wouldn't shoot with the other. Love the 7-08 but the 6.5 Creed is the easy button these days.... Well said. These days, I mostly shoot the smaller cased 6.5mm rounds, the 7mm-08, and the .308 for hunting hogs and deer. I've not seen much difference in performance on game. I think the three biggest hogs I've taken have been one each with the .260, the 6.5x47L, and the 6.5CM. All did just fine. The 6.5CM is simply the round that won the popularity contest. The chamberings from the .257Rob with 115/120gr up to the 7mm-08 with 140/150gr do seem to be the sweet spot for performance at reasonable ranges versus recoil. The 6.5CM lies right in the middle and has a ton of factory rifle and ammo options.
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I, also, will jump on the 6.5 train. I have two, Creeds and two, .260s. Both are great cartridges. I use heavier bullets in the Creed, as it handles them better. My go-to in the .260 is the 129 Interlock. Fantastic deer bullet-near and far.
I really like the 147 ELDM in the Creed. It really works well on deer.
The 7-08 is a great cartridge, also, but right now one has to look at ammo/component availability.
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You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it.
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A 6.5 CM or 7-08 for deer out to 400 yards? Yes to either or both. In a Tikka, the 6.5 allows a broader range of bullet weights and bullet/rifling seating arrangements, if that matters to you. The 6.5 CM is a bit easier to feed. Both are plenty for deer.
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Check this one out: As always you can kill anything with anything as long as shot placement and correct bullet are used. A 30-06 with a ABLR or TTSX or ELDX will be extremely lethal to an elk. You also have to be aware of distance, a 6.5 creedmoor is lethal to an elk… at a certain range. 30-06 isn’t a long range cartridge and never will be, limit your range and it is extremely effective. OMG... Let's not let facts get in the way... Lol Trajectory and Ballistics With its original 150-grain spire point bullet at 2,700 fps, the Springfield .30/06 was certified for an extreme reach of 4.75 miles, an effective firing range of 1,000 yards. A flip up rear leaf sight was graduated for ranges out to 2,850 yards. Point-blank range for a standing, man-sized target was 500 yards. Whether the military rifles were accurate enough to take advantage of this is moot. Im sure a few were, most were not. But that doesn’t mean today’s sporting rifles aren’t… Accuracy The .30/06 has been used to win many short, medium, and long-range target shooting competitions. Modern hunting rifles regularly print Minute of Angle with select ammunition, and carefully tuned rifles often achieve true 1/2 MOA performance, sometimes even 1/4 minute precision. Rifle/cartridge accuracy depends more on a concentric and balanced rifle and bullet than the shape of the cartridge.
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I've had pretty good luck with the 7MM-08 over the years and I've had a bunch, will always own several and grab one anytime I have a hunting tag in my pocket that I hope to fill.
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For me it's more about the gun and the availability of reloading components than the caliber in the .257--.280 range. For several years my main deer rifle was a Browning BLR in 7mm-08. Killed several deer. I mostly used 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets at around 28-2,900 FPS. Eventually I got tired of the mediocre trigger and redundant safety on those Japanese made BLRs so I sold the rifle (awesome gun otherwise). I decided I absolutely must have a Kimber Montana and the only one I could find happened to be in 6.5 Creed. I loaded 127 grain Barnes LRX bullets to around 2800 FPS. Killed 2 deer with it so far. Performance seemed pretty much identical to the 7mm sub 250 yards. Animals mostly dropped within a few yards with either and I think the most one ever ran was around 50. For better or worse 6.5 Creed has more options in rifles and components these days, but I would have probably taken a 7-08 Montana (or .260 Rem.) over the 6.5C if I could have found one on the used market. I don't have much opportunity or desire to shoot at animals beyond 250 yards, but if I did, I might prefer the Creed.
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