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Please pardon my ignorance about things Canadian, but I just read that the Gov is contemplating using your assisted suicide on children that, as I read, are a problem for long term care or just have no projected use, and insuring that they do not get the parents involved. Is this really being considered, or am I the butt of a hoax. Would seem to me that you may have finally come up to the leftist commies here in the US and their abortion after birth and let the child die. I just have a problem wrapping my head around that and anyone that could be that depraved.

All in all, I am against this. But there are cases where I would buy someone a gift card.

The concentration camps in Nazi Germany were started with getting rid of old and mentally challenged and then morphed into a ethnic cleansing deal. The slope gets slippery when you start judging some better than others for " The Good Of The Country" In terminal illness cases where the patient is the deciding person I have less an issue with it....

Lolol…I had to laugh at this because it could be word for word something I’d say as well. 😂

Why can't someone check JT out permanently?

deltakid;
Good afternoon, I trust you're thawing out somewhat down in eastern Washington as we are here in the Okanagan and that you're well.

The term given this program is MAID - Medical Assistance In Dying - and it appears that since it's legalization in 2016 to the end of 2021 there were 31,664 Canadians who used it as a way to shuffle off this mortal coil.

We had a bit of a thread on here about this not that long ago, try as I might I was unable to locate it but if anyone else can and feels led by whatever spirit of the 'Fire or inner webs to post a link that'd be appreciated.

There have been rumblings that the Liberal/NDP/BQ coalition but not a coalition government that is headed by PM Sparkle Socks wanted to include people suffering from depression among those eligible for MAID as of this spring as well.

One notes the irony that some of the reasoning behind the same people for our already restrictive firearms laws is to prevent suicide...... honest.

Just as a by the way, our total population was 38 million in 2021, so more or less the population of California who also offer something similar - except that they used it less than 500 times that year and we used it more than 10,000.

Please note I don't have a link to the California numbers and if I'm wrong, then I do apologize, that's going off of an interview on an independent news interview - Clyde Do Something - on YouTube who has had several guests and videos on the subject.

There have been reports where Canadian Forces vets from the Afghan conflict were offered MAID at Veteran's Affairs in more than one instance. The leader of the opposition did at least get Socks to admit that likely wasn't the best course of action to people we sent in harm's way and are suffering from PTSD.

That said, when Sock's lips are moving - well you know the rest sir.

The cynical might suggest that our highly touted medical system isn't working as well as it might and that someone, somewhere has figured out it's easier to off patients than to fix them. Maybe even just marginally cynical people might be led to that conclusion.

At this point I do not believe kids are able to use MAID, but there are reports that they can get gender alteration surgery without parental consent in some cases. While I have limited experience with folks going down that rocky trail, I do actually have some and it was in all cases a rocky trail on all levels.

I recall in one instance thinking to myself it was the most radical change one could make shy of suicide, but I digress.

There have been a lot of deep fundamental changes taking place since Socks came into power and I pray enough of my fellow citizens are beginning to awaken to at least some of them.

Many people are not blind to the precedents being set, but many seemingly are if not happy then perhaps content with the status quo as long as a government etransfer funds allow them to stay stoned with legal weed.

Make no mistake there are people who do see the changes, are not in the least remotely okay with the direction we've taken and are working towards changing it to something that mathematically and historically has a chance of surviving as a nation.

It's been awhile, but I'll ask that any so inclined pray for us and our leaders as we pray for them and for you all and your leaders. Good thoughts, sage smoke, whatever you're inclined to offer, we're thankful.

All the best.

Dwayne

Thank you Dwayne. I do appreciate your direct and thoughtful response. I know that there are people who would think it is a joke, but, with both our governments seemingly in a race to see who can outdo the other with the idiot decisions, I wasn't sure. I had read somewhere that there were considerations to add children that were older to the mix, but was not sure whether or not it was a hoax. Hopefully, with guidance from above and some perseverance from us, we may both be able to make it through this mess the left has gotten us in.

Stay warm, Spring is on its way.

Jim

I for one am all for it. It angers me greatly that it is not permitted in our country. Anyone against it simply hasn't seen a human suffer enough.
My BIL was just diagnosed with metastatic Pancreatic cancer. I wish he had the option.

deltakid;
Good afternoon once more Jim, thanks for the response.

The fact that Veteran's Affairs offered this to our vets who went into harms way at the behest of politicians who never seem to do that or have any friends and family who do either - and that VA would suggest on what we've been told were several occasions that MAID would be an easy way out pisses me off to the nth degree frankly.

Not that I needed a slap in the face after Socks attempting to unlawfully confine me during the beer flu, censor the internet I choose to watch and unlawfully seize many of our personal firearms, so I was stinging already, but that was galling to me beyond all else.

I've gotten to know a couple of the Canadian Forces Afghan vets through work. We sent them over there under trained and ill equipped, despite the brass telling the politicians that was the case. This just puts it all into sharp perspective as to how those in power really care about our Armed Forces in my opinion.

Anyways sir, the MAID issue - specifically when dealing with our vets - shows all too clearly where the slippery slope can lead, you know?

All the best and thanks again.

Dwayne

I agree with you ingwe, in cases of palliative care and/or suffering without any hope of recovery, it is the right thing to do if the person suffering requests it. We do that for our pets after all, don't we?

Any nation that does not permit this act of kindness, has been talking to way too many lobbyists that work for big Pharma.

KB

Ingwe, I've seen the grandparents of my Son-I-L, one with end stage Alzheimer's and he with just simply end of life issues, unable to care for her anymore.. He laid all the instructions, papers, keys, data, numbers, accounts and such on the dresser.... shot her and then himself.......... except he 'lived'......

While unconscious, in hospital, he was charged with murder........... fortunately he did not recover.....

While this was, technically, a Murder/Suicide. IMHO it was not.......... it was, perhaps, the greatest act of love.

The problem, as you allude, is we label everything from the young checking out, MAID, and Assisted Suicide ALL as the same thing.............. it's not.

My dog died peacefully with his head on resting on my wifes' leg............... I would like the same given the chance....

PS: just saw that KB posted similar............

ingwe;
Good afternoon my old friend, I hope it's melting down or at least warmed up a wee bit down in your section of Montucky and you're all well.

The proverbial sticky wicket with MAID is that it was brought in using examples such as your BIL and a couple high profile cases - here in BC - where doctors unlawfully assisted terminal adults in ending their own lives.

The issue is that once the camel is in the tent, in our case anyways ingwe, other's followed.

As mentioned it went from people who were verified terminal to people who wanted to die because they were suffering from depression.

I get that it's everyone's right to live and to die as they see fit - as long as they're not taking a planeload of people with them of course - but I'd argue that if we could treat that person and have them return as a functioning member of the society that's a better option.

There have been reports where MAID has been offered in instances before alternative treatments, but I don't have proof or links.

Again it's the precedent being set - as with any law truly - that's the issue.

I hope that made some sense?

Best to you all ingwe.

Dwayne

There is little doubt that there are situations where MAID would be a blessing but the slope is indeed slippery when people like JT have a say. It is difficult, for me, to reconcile the desire to euthanize the infirm, on one hand, while supplying Naloxone or Narcan kits to a bunch of drug addled bums so they don't accidentally suicide with the drugs they have bought with government money. We live in paradoxical (is that a real word?) times.
When my time comes, I would appreciate it if my doctor could supply me with something I could mix into my favorite beverage. I would load the pipe I haven't smoked for forty years, with the tobacco I liked, mix that drink, and sit back on my favorite mountainside, and smoke and drink until I went to sleep. Hopefully, my carcass would never be found. GD

Muffin;
Thanks for your input sir, it's always appreciated.

The labelling and definitions given by some in the medical community - who are as woke as can be by the look of things - is contrary to what was initially communicated as the purpose and provision of the law.

We - that is to say folks who are conservative by nature and inclination and hopefully logical as well - can discuss what we'd see as acceptable instances and likely reach consensus.

I've mentioned before that we dealt with dementia with my late Mom and Mother in Law for 6 years, so I can speak to that or at very least those two situations with a fair bit of personal insight.

Again if someone is of sound mind and believes they'd prefer to end their pain - that's between them, their family and any deity they believe in.

But - and that's again the sticky wicket - that's not where we've landed.

Not by a long stretch in my view.

Thanks again and all the best.

Dwayne

greydog;
Good afternoon to you my old friend, I hope you all are getting some better weather out east and you're all well.

You and I are on the same page on this subject for sure and I'm not certain that's of comfort to you or not.

The jump starting of OD's puts a huge cost on our healthcare system.

I've told how my late Mother's hip replacement surgery was delayed for hours because it was a bad day for OD's down at Penticton Emergency.

She couldn't eat of course while waiting for surgery, so she just had to lay there with a broken hip...

This is how we treat the people who built what we were given in trust....

I talked about making up a big woven bacon vest and wandering up onto the top of the Christian where that new Grizzly Recovery Area is, but the family didn't appreciate that thought.

Again it's who is interpreting what that's the issue, but then that's always been the case with any law.

All the best to you all this spring greydog.

Dwayne

greydog and bc30cal I am with both of ya'll I got my place pick out

I will have to put our dog down soon, I dread it!

Mine will experience the same passing. I will be holding him tightly, I will tell him how much I love him, I will tell him that I will see him again and we will run together without any pain with all of our loved ones that have passed.

While that is taking place it will tear my heart out. After a lot of prayers, I know it will be the right thing to do, as much as I will hate it.

KB

Maybe Jill could send Joe for a visit,, she being a doctor and all.

I am with you on that....everybody talks about their "rights"....how about the most basic one of all.

myself nursing home is not an option......bob