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So being a sucker for buying and trying cast bullet designs, but also being a little on the cheap side, I cruise EBay regularly looking for a bargain on a mold. It’s rare that I actually buy one, often they go for more than new price on those still in production or more than you can have a oftentimes better quality reproduction made by one of the custom makers. Plus with them being used and sometimes abused it’s always a roll of the dice as to whether what you end up with being useable or not. But I got lucky twice in the last couple weeks. I’d been watching for a good SWC or flat nose bullet for my 32 H&R. I’ve been using the RCBS 32-98SWC, also an eBay acquisition, and it’s an excellent bullet. But a prior owner had done some fiddling with it and one cavity casts a slightly out of round base due to the customization. It’s not awful but I thought I’d watch in case I got lucky and found a cheap replacement. And along came an absolutely mint old 3 cavity Cramer. I liked the look of it and decided to make an offer even though I couldn’t find any info at all about it on the internet. The seller accepted my offer and it was on its way here. I gave it a quick degreasing and fired up the pot. It makes beautiful little bullets that weigh 97gr cast of WW. All three cavities are round and cast identical bullets. It has a very big meplat for such a small caliber, should be an excellent game bullet. Now just a day or two later up pops a mystery mold with a low starting bid. I could tell by the sprue plate it was an H&G. Pictures showed 4 nice cavities for a full wadcutter, I assumed the ubiquitous H&G 50. The mysterious part was that its previous owner must have had a milling machine and grown tired of handling the heavy cast iron blocks. He’d cut pocket cuts out of the outside of both blocks to lighten it up I presume, but he’d also removed all markings when he milled it. Knowing what it was and their reputation for quality I was interested but I put in a low bid due to having almost been burned on another H&G wadcutter mold I had bud on. I didn’t realize back then that the 50 was made in both .358 and .356 diameter and found out as I was about to win the auction that the one I was winning was a .356, luckily someone outbid me at the last minute. With no way to know what bullet diameter this one would throw without actually pouring some and measuring them, I put in a bid low enough that I wouldn’t care too much if I ended up with a mold I had no use for. I ended up winning it with my opening bid and then thinking to myself that I’d probably bought one that wouldn’t make bullets I can use just because that’s often the way these things turn out. Imagine my surprise when it shows up yesterday and upon closed inspection, it’s not even an H&G #50, doesn’t have the right amount of lube grooves and other things are off too. Some digging online turned up an old catalog and eventually a link to a very informative website dedicated to Hensley and Gibbs history and I was able to identify it. It’s a #36 158gr full wadcutter made only in .358 diameter. It’s similar to a Lyman design that puts a bit more of the nose out of the case. So that’s about as close as I get to any form of online gambling but it was a pretty fun way to spend a little over $100. My son is already dying to load up some wadcutters to shoot out of my Blackhawk so I bet we get enough use out of the molds to make them worth the money.
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Dude, you're cracking me up
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Fired up the pot this evening and heated up the new old H&G mold. It’s got me thinking about selling my Lyman and RCBS molds and ponying up the cash for a fleet of H&Gs. The bullets practically jump out of the cavities when you open the blocks. And they all 4 make nice round bullets that measure .360” cast of WW.
I have some random pound of IMR Target that’s supposed to be Bullseyeish. I think we’ll load a coffee can full of wadcutters up over about 3gr of it and do some plinking.
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Nice score(s). Definite well cared for iron.
My last bit of online gambling got me a Colt Officer's Model Target 32 Colt New Police (32 S&W Long) along with an adjustable King rear and an action job.
But it needs the hand stretched....its still in time both DA and SA when the hammer falls, but needs a hand tune up.
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I remember my instructor in trade school showing us how to stretch the hand in a Colt. Careful application of a dulled chisel against the anvil on a bench vise. Don’t worry if you screw it up, there probably aren’t any replacements. 😳
Does it have the King mirror ramp front site? Not sure how well they actually work but I think they’re cooler than can be. Kings did some really neat work on Colts and S&Ws back in the day.
The Cramer drops bullets at .316”. I’ll send you a bunch unsized if you want to size them to fit it and try them out.
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They make new hands again so I got one and also have several lying around.
No front mirror, just a Patridge. Yes I still want to have a gun with an original one. I Rube Goldberg'd one with a compact disc chunk as a reflector and it really makes a huge difference, almost crazy at dusk.
You know me, I'm good with .32 bullets, but I appreciate it. You've got plenty going on! Plus, if they shot good I would either have to own the mold or you would be making bullets for me and not yourself!
Most .32s really like a .314, so that Cramer ought to shoot great and size well.
I've gone the gamut of wanting and trying different things. I have one load for each chambering (two loads for 38 Special). Same bullet, same powder and the load is done in profusion, fits every gun nominally. I know, I'm not exciting anymore. Or I just don't have the time. But the journey did teach me some things.
I will admit, you guys and your full wadcutters have me hankering for one in .32.
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Quick bump as I lucked into another one last week. A seller listed three old Cramers, all with handles and in decent shape as best as could be told from the pictures. One was a 3 cavity 45 SWC very much like an H&G 68 but with a bevel base. I passed as I have a good RCBS for 45 wadcutters and I’m not wild about bevel base designs. The next was another that I could find very little info on with a web search. Cramer sold out to SAECO in the 40’s so most of the info has been lost to time. What little I could find on it was that it was a “Keith” type, and we all know how that goes, 165gr .358. It is a 2 cavity and all the pictures looked great with the exception of the one of the cavities, which wasn’t quite in focus. I decided to give it a low bid and see what happened. Turned out I was the only one willing to roll the dice and I got it for my opening bid, doubt you’ll find many molds as nice and with handles for $39. It casts beautifully, nice round bullets fall out of the cavities and measure .360 weighing 168gr. The Keith description was a bit of a stretch. It has a very thin front driving band, two lube grooves, and not the biggest meplat on the flat nose. Looks closer to a Colt New Police bullet to my eye. But I guess that can be overlooked to some degree if it shoots. And shoot it does. I loaded half a coffee can full over 6gr of Power Pistol in Starline cases. Ran to the farm when it cooled off a little this evening and shot a bit. Two groups fired sitting from 20 yards with elbows on my knees had 5 in one ragged hole and the 6th opening the group up a bit, happens to the best of us. Out of my 2” M15 I put 5 in 2” with the required flyer on the sixth shot when I felt myself flinch but it wasn’t the gun or load.
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They make new hands again so I got one and also have several lying around.
No front mirror, just a Patridge. Yes I still want to have a gun with an original one. I Rube Goldberg'd one with a compact disc chunk as a reflector and it really makes a huge difference, almost crazy at dusk.
You know me, I'm good with .32 bullets, but I appreciate it. You've got plenty going on! Plus, if they shot good I would either have to own the mold or you would be making bullets for me and not yourself!
Most .32s really like a .314, so that Cramer ought to shoot great and size well.
I've gone the gamut of wanting and trying different things. I have one load for each chambering (two loads for 38 Special). Same bullet, same powder and the load is done in profusion, fits every gun nominally. I know, I'm not exciting anymore. Or I just don't have the time. But the journey did teach me some things.
I will admit, you guys and your full wadcutters have me hankering for one in .32. Cool story. Hope you find that 32 you're looking for. PS- nice looking bullet and gun!
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