Side note, Allan Savory has a good story about his previous profession as a rangeland scientist, his belief that to many elephants were permanently damaging the veld. His following suggestions to drastically cull numbers. The results and his current beliefs. It's in his tedtalk, I think. It's interesting.
He may be personally responsible for the death of more elephants than anyone.
Good question. I love to hunt and believe hunters should eat what they shoot (except for varmints) but do believe there are some animals that just need to be left alone. Elephants are one of them. I'm not interested in eating any elephant meat.
I'm not opposed to any sustainable hunting. All lives are the same to me. Meat and the sentimental attachments to Americans isn't the same to hungry Africans. A cow, lamb, sheep, chicken's life is as important to them as ours is to us. We are just at the top of the food chain.
I dated a Vietnamese woman who was Buddhist. She said every animal has a soul and they are all equal.
So, I said, “If I kill one elephant it’s the same as killing one chicken? Game on!”
I've pondered the question. I've also posed it to anti hunters that eat meat and consume lives.
My favorite is addressing the amount of lives taken in a shrimp salad or shrimp cocktail..🤣
Oh, the humanity!! I loves me some cocktail shrimp in a pasta salad.
I have never killed an Elephant. I know guys who have. Does this make them better than me. Am I not a man if I have not killed an Elephant. The main problem is there are no Elephants around here except at the Zoo. Should I go to the Zoo and shoot an Elephant just prove I am a man?
Yes, please do. Pics or ......
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Killing for the sake of bragging rights is not mentally healthy in my opinion.
This ^^ I have never been on a safari but I know that pretty much any elephant that is killed is eaten by the locals. The same with any of the other big game animals. I'll just about bet you the PH's and gun bearers have it already arraigned before you leave camp. That's the way it should be. Nothing goes to waste and both the hunter and the locals win.
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It would be a pretty safe bet that local populations are prohibited from hunting, so that animals may be sold to Safari Hunters for much more than the meat is worth.
And that might also explain the real reason for much poaching, and the battles to stop it.
Rhinoceros horn and ivory aside.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
I have never killed an Elephant. I know guys who have. Does this make them better than me. Am I not a man if I have not killed an Elephant. The main problem is there are no Elephants around here except at the Zoo. Should I go to the Zoo and shoot an Elephant just prove I am a man?
What a bullshitt leading post. You might as well say "I've never sucked a dick, but I know guys who have. Only dicks to be sucked are at the gym. Am I not a man if I've never sucked a dick?"
You immediately and passive-aggressively condemn all who have ever hunted elephants, something you self admit you don't know jack about.
I'll put this in the same category as the throw away posts that have populated the forum as of late "Have you ever (pissed on the neighbors dog/sniffed a bicycle seat/or whatever.)
Bright side of this is that there are people here who have hunted and understand Africa and the balance of nature.
BHA Buzz was just on here recently on that other thread and clearly tho perhaps inadvertently demonstrated that shooting stuff does not in of itself confer virtue.
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I have killed two bull elephants and been charged by one. That does not make me better than anyone else. But I suspect that some of those who say they would not kill an elephant but kill other game simply can't afford the cost of an elephant hunt. If you are willing to hunt deer, but not elephants, isn't that kind of "rascist?" At least the deer would think so.
Another thing...dangerous game hunting in Africa kind of makes you lose your taste for deer hunting in America.
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Good question. I love to hunt and believe hunters should eat what they shoot (except for varmints) but do believe there are some animals that just need to be left alone. Elephants are one of them. I'm not interested in eating any elephant meat.
All, or nearly all elephants being killed now are problem animals, or in places where there are simply far, far too many, which destroys the landscape and creates conflicts with people. I’ve read of places with 10x the elephants the range will support. They can’t be moved, they must be reduced in number. Shooting them is the most efficient way, and the meat is desperately needed in those places too. The hunting also provides cash and jobs.
I don’t want to shoot one either; lucky because I don’t have the scratch.
Ya know, the problem is that there are too many people, not elephants.
Not so much too many elephants as there are too many in the wrong places. Besides the obvious obstacle to moving them, their social structure is very complicated and shifting them around willy-nilly would lead to a lot of problems, kinda like taking a bunch of poor people with no marketable skills from their rural existence and dumping them off in city slums, with no jobs, just a check every month. Or allowing millions of poorly educated third-worlders to migrate into your country to wander around looking for “opportunities”, depending on their bent: theft, sexual assault, pedophilia, drunk driving, drug dealing, smuggling; maybe even work.
Truth.
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I have and it was a magical experience. Does it make me more of a man? No. This elephant was destroying crops and every scrap of meat was utilized. Even the marrow. Like indy said, it does take the the shine off of deer hunting for awhile. It was something that I doubt I'll ever get a chance to do again. I just happened to be at the right place and the right time.
I have never killed an Elephant. I know guys who have. Does this make them better than me. Am I not a man if I have not killed an Elephant. The main problem is there are no Elephants around here except at the Zoo. Should I go to the Zoo and shoot an Elephant just prove I am a man?
What a bullshitt leading post. You might as well say "I've never sucked a dick, but I know guys who have. Only dicks to be sucked are at the gym. Am I not a man if I've never sucked a dick?"
You immediately and passive-aggressively condemn all who have ever hunted elephants, something you self admit you don't know jack about.
I'll put this in the same category as the throw away posts that have populated the forum as of late "Have you ever (pissed on the neighbors dog/sniffed a bicycle seat/or whatever.)
Bright side of this is that there are people here who have hunted and understand Africa and the balance of nature.
You sure make a lot of conclusions about what I posted. All I get out of your retort is that you are a latent homosexual who wants to suck dicks.
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I've never hunted elephants, but from what I hear and read it's probably the most exciting hunt you can do. I've hunted in Africa a couple of times but have not hunted elephants, mostly because of the cost. In many areas, elephants are over populated and destroy their habitat, so there is a valid ecological reason to hunt them in spite of all the public opposition to it in the developed countries.
There are a lot more people in Africa than there were even fifty years ago, and many areas where elephants lived are now farmed, so the elephants don't have new areas to move to like they once did.
One thing I will say is that elephants can be scary when you're out in the bush. But it's great to see them and I hope elephant populations can continue to exist in the remaining areas where they are now. This will not be easy as most Africans tend to see them as a problem. Hunting is an important way that they provide economic value in Africa and without economic value they won't exist in the long term.
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Ah Christ, here I go. I have no desire to kill elephants, whales or dolphins. Personally, I don't think we should be killing anything that exhibits a higher intelligence than your basic prey animals that are normally sought after for food. Africans are a [bleep] up breed of people. There are over 1.5 million wildebeest alone running right through their homes but they want elephant meat, rhinoceros meat. I got into an argument with my professor because the tribe he visited lived off some caterpillar and couldn't get to water because of the crocodiles. I told him he just stated the resolution to these bug eating bastards. Stop eating the caterpillars and eat the damned crocodiles. I would gladly subsist on crocodile than a freaking bug any day. YMMV.
And yes, I have spent time in Africa chasing down Boko Haram and ISIS and yes, I poached a couple of hoofed animals when we got tired of eating MRE's, Couscous and rice. No, I had no interest in killing or eating a damned elephant. I did shoot plenty of baboons to help the locals out because they are just ferocious pricks that learned the reach of the locals. A couple of us recalibrated their "safe" distance from man so they would stay away from the villages. If you want to go to Africa to hunt, kill something that benefits the locals. Elephants shouldn't be hunted and neither should whales or dolphins. Apparently when we nuked the Japanese, it made them more stupid than before.
I wonder what kind of damage a herd of elephants can do to a poor farming village?
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