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International Harvester Scouts were brutal. When I worked for them I witnessed a used Scout start to rust 2 weeks after the body shop fixed it. Probably the worst of them all in that department.
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International Harvester Scouts were brutal. When I worked for them I witnessed a used Scout start to rust 2 weeks after the body shop fixed it. Probably the worst of them all in that department. As a kid my dad bought a 72 800a cheap during the first gas crisis, 73 or 74. When we sold it in 79 the tailgate couldn’t be used for fear the entire unit would fall off from rust.
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I dont live in a climate where the roads are salted, so have little experience with the problem.
Whatever happened to undercoating vehicles, don't people do that any more? In the mid 1950's when I was about 15, I had a job at a car dealership, my job was to spray undercoat under every new car that came in. IIRC it was kinda like a tar substance, applied hot.
Just curious.
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I dont live in a climate where the roads are salted, so have little experience with the problem.
Whatever happened to undercoating vehicles, don't people do that any more? In the mid 1950's when I was about 15, I had a job at a car dealership, my job was to spray undercoat under every new car that came in. IIRC it was kinda like a tar substance, applied hot.
Just curious.
Thanks Factory frames are coated. Still no coating between panels where the problem usually starts. Cannot coat where 2 panels are sandwiched together, salty water gets in and rust starts right where heat transfer or at weld holding panels together. If redoing one can coat panels with paint before putting together with adhesive instead of welding in as many spots as possible.
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I'm looking at a 2002 F-250 4x4 dual cab with the 7.3. Super low mileage owned by a snowbird who is selling out here in FL. KBB shows the value at around $20K, and I assume it has baked in current market conditions, etc. into its pricing algorithms.
Problem is there is no factor in the algorithm for rust, cause by our salt air near the coastline. There is body rust, especially at the bottom of the door panels and also the underside is pretty rusted up (springs, shackles, frame. On the underside structural parts it looks like surface rust, not too deep....but still.
How should I factor in the rust in the price? Some kind of percentage of overall cost. To repair it with body work and parts replacement I ballpark will cost about 5-7K.
Your thoughts welcomed, and appreciated! I think you’ve answered your own question. 5-7k would be the amount to deduct. Personally, rust is a no go for me. Tells me the vehicle wasn’t maintained and cared for properly, and it’s only going to get worse. Yep! Washing and waxing a vehicle is part of a good maintenance plan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It helps. Move to a place with winter and brine, you will lose a bit of your self righteous attitude. Not at all uncommon to see nice well maintained vehicles with perfect mirror shiny paint. Missing rockers, cab corners, or holes surrounding the wheel wells. I envy those where it's not a problem, rust is the reason we personally junk cars. Everything else is repairable, once rust gets going fixing costs thousands. The fixes only last a few years, then the bubbles come back. LOL! You think Northern Tennessee doesn’t keep the damned roads covered in salt all winter? For the most part, it is unnecessary, but they still have to get rid of all that salt so they can buy more next year and not have their budget cut. I will take salt any day of the week. Brine is applied with a sticking agent. It is the gift that keeps on giving. Rust from road salt doesn’t start on the body (outside) it starts underneath especially voids in the body. These aren’t areas being waxed. If there’s a 10% chance of flurries 3 days out, they’ll spray the roads here with that chit if it’s sunny and 70 degrees. I know the bastards responsible for this, and have told them I hope they are buried in a tub of that vile chit. When that first caught on, our former governor and his brother owned a chain of truck stop/gas stations, all complete with car washes!
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International Harvester Scouts were brutal. When I worked for them I witnessed a used Scout start to rust 2 weeks after the body shop fixed it. Probably the worst of them all in that department. As a kid my dad bought a 72 800a cheap during the first gas crisis, 73 or 74. When we sold it in 79 the tailgate couldn’t be used for fear the entire unit would fall off from rust. I drove a 2 year old one for a while, the fenders where already rusting.
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I dont live in a climate where the roads are salted, so have little experience with the problem.
Whatever happened to undercoating vehicles, don't people do that any more? In the mid 1950's when I was about 15, I had a job at a car dealership, my job was to spray undercoat under every new car that came in. IIRC it was kinda like a tar substance, applied hot.
Just curious.
Thanks Vehicles still rusted with undercoating applied. In NJ a lot of vehicles were Ziebarted . Nowadays the manufacturers have weep holes at the bottom of the doors and fenders, they apply zinc primers which alleviates a lot of the issues. You still have to wash down the under carriage of a vehicle with a high pressure sprayer to remove salt residue, you should wash the entire car that same day.
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You ain't going to find any 20+ year old vehicles here in upstate NY that aren't rusty. Most are in the junk yard before that. In an average winter it snows weekly and very often multiple days a week. The result is, you're spraying salty snow, slush and salt water into every nook and cranny almost daily for 5 months of the year. Ten year old vehicles without rust are a rarity and most will be junked because they're rotted out beyond repair before they reach 20 no matter how much you wash and wax or how well undercoated it is. The only way to avoid it is to park it in your garage and not drive it in the winter. Period. You see a 20 year old rust free vehicle here it's either been stored for the winter or lived most of it's life in one of the Southern States.
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"LOL! You think Northern Tennessee doesn’t keep the damned roads covered in salt all winter? For the most part, it is unnecessary, but they still have to get rid of all that salt so they can buy more next year and not have their budget cut."
Gregintenn, for the win! Here in the NC mountains, we get a forecast of 1/2 inch snow and they dump salt all over every road. A half inch of snow will not cause traffic problems and most of it will melt of its own accord without any salt on the road. It is a government operation, the crews all get overtime pay. The more overtime they pay for "winter emergency" the bigger the budget needed for next year. The more salt they use the more they need next year.
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My mechanic told me that as bad as salt is, about 12 years ago they began adding calcium chloride to the salt mix. He said that calcium chloride is twice as bad as salt ever was. He had worked on a one year old car that had rusty chunks of metal the size of a loaf of bread falling off.
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A sample of one, but have some broad experience with keeping and improving older trucks. If there is any significant body/frame rust, here is no easy permanent cure and trying such can be a costly/nagging effort.
Long ago learned to say "not this one". Or bite the bullet if it's a good enough buy and redo the vehicle. Did that on the 08 I bought 2 years ago. 60k miles but had sat most of its life. I believe it sat after a lot of salt was sprayed underneath. Outer rockers were shot, inner wheel wells gone, some rust over tires on bed sides. - - - Good pics - that was A LOT of work and I admire it. But, I can't love any truck enough to do that.
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A sample of one, but have some broad experience with keeping and improving older trucks. If there is any significant body/frame rust, here is no easy permanent cure and trying such can be a costly/nagging effort.
Long ago learned to say "not this one". Or bite the bullet if it's a good enough buy and redo the vehicle. Did that on the 08 I bought 2 years ago. 60k miles but had sat most of its life. I believe it sat after a lot of salt was sprayed underneath. Outer rockers were shot, inner wheel wells gone, some rust over tires on bed sides. - - - Good pics - that was A LOT of work and I admire it. But, I can't love any truck enough to do that. Cheaper than anything with 60k miles even after all of the work. They are of no use if so rusted doors cannot latch/seal properly. Either redo one or buy a new one, same amount of$$ is spent either way. A lot of things about the newer trucks I do not like.
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I'm looking at a 2002 F-250 4x4 dual cab with the 7.3. Super low mileage owned by a snowbird who is selling out here in FL. KBB shows the value at around $20K, and I assume it has baked in current market conditions, etc. into its pricing algorithms.
Problem is there is no factor in the algorithm for rust, cause by our salt air near the coastline. There is body rust, especially at the bottom of the door panels and also the underside is pretty rusted up (springs, shackles, frame. On the underside structural parts it looks like surface rust, not too deep....but still.
How should I factor in the rust in the price? Some kind of percentage of overall cost. To repair it with body work and parts replacement I ballpark will cost about 5-7K.
Your thoughts welcomed, and appreciated! I think you’ve answered your own question. 5-7k would be the amount to deduct. Personally, rust is a no go for me. Tells me the vehicle wasn’t maintained and cared for properly, and it’s only going to get worse. Yep! Washing and waxing a vehicle is part of a good maintenance plan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It helps. Move to a place with winter and brine, you will lose a bit of your self righteous attitude. Not at all uncommon to see nice well maintained vehicles with perfect mirror shiny paint. Missing rockers, cab corners, or holes surrounding the wheel wells. I envy those where it's not a problem, rust is the reason we personally junk cars. Everything else is repairable, once rust gets going fixing costs thousands. The fixes only last a few years, then the bubbles come back. LOL! You think Northern Tennessee doesn’t keep the damned roads covered in salt all winter? For the most part, it is unnecessary, but they still have to get rid of all that salt so they can buy more next year and not have their budget cut. I will take salt any day of the week. Brine is applied with a sticking agent. It is the gift that keeps on giving. Rust from road salt doesn’t start on the body (outside) it starts underneath especially voids in the body. These aren’t areas being waxed. The brine they put on our roads can be applied 3 days before a snow event. Including through several light rains! If you are real darn lucky, you get on the road right after an application, and it sprays off the tires up under the car. Now how in thee hell does one get that washed off! And you know where you can't get it, the dang places inclined to rust anyways. The big 3 had gotten cars to be really rust resistant. Lots of older cars were running around here with high miles and looking good. Early 2000s brine came along. And suddenly it was 1978 again, only worse. 1978 didn't have brake friction surfaces breaking off the steel core due to corrosion.
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