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Date accepted Jan 8, 1929. Sold to Baker, Hamilton, Pacific.

Notes, K.

No idea what the next entry is, 487/1.

Job#14776 5/22/29. Returned to Jo Mora Carmel California.

Could this be the Jo Mora in question?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Mora

https://jomoracollection.org/about/

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I just looked at the search for my 1912 SRC and it was sold to Pacific Hardware and Steel who merged with Baker and Hamilton, to form Baker Hamilton and Pacific. So, both rifles were sold to the same company in California and wound up in Maryland.


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The 487/1 is likely a work order or repair order. Maybe special sights?


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Great provenance Joe


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I emailed Jess for lookups on the engraved 1899A t/d im buying and my H that says shipped to Spiegel.

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Originally Posted by Calhoun
The 487/1 is likely a work order or repair order. Maybe special sights?

Like possibly the installation of a Noske Scope? I figured work order, but what is the difference, because it has a Job #14776 also? I've contacted Peter Hiller, the author of a book on Jo Mora, and the Trustee of the Jo Mora Trust. Hoping he may be able to find a picture of Jo holding a rifle, especially this one? There are some very nice pics of Mora on horse back and in period Mexican garb. I'm still reading, lots of stuff out there.


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I've never seen mention of Savage installing Noske scopes. Never say never.

I was thinking along the lines of 487/1 being something special as it left the factory.

14776 is 4 months later after being sent in.


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
I've never seen mention of Savage installing Noske scopes. Never say never.

I was thinking along the lines of 487/1 being something special as it left the factory.

14776 is 4 months later after being sent in.
Thanks, that makes sense. Are there any ledgers on job orders that can be looked up? I thought I saw a letter where JTC reference what was done in a job #?


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No, the custom shop ledgers are long gone.


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Little bummed out, looks like the email for the Jo Mora Trust might be an old one, it didn't go through. I'll keep looking.


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I just spoke with Peter Hiller. He asked me to send him a pic of the initials carved in the stock. He said they are very close, but may be from Jo Jr. Either way they are definitely from the family. He knows the man that handled the auction of Jo Mora's guns, and he has reached out to him to see if he remembers this rifle. Jo and his son were both avid hunters all of there lives. During the three years he lived with the Hopi Indians, he acted as a hunting guide for them. Peter said that Jo Jr said, his father once told him, "The only time I'm happy, when I'm not working, is when I'm hunting". He sent me some pics of Mora and his work. One is Mora with a spike buck with a 4 door sedan with wooden spoke wheels. Maybe David can ID it. One is a water color of a Cavalry officer facing an Indian, both on horse back. In the corner it says, To Joey, Christmas 1920, Jo Mora. One with his dog and a Winchester? on his shoulder. Hiller said he thinks that picture is in the early 1900's. A life size statue of Belle Star. As soon as I can get the pics on my computer I'll post them.

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Neat info, Joe.

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Good deal Joe…..
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Here's the JM initials on the rifle. In the lower right are Mora's initials on the Del Monte menu he drew. I see a similarity. Being wood with a grain, it would be easier to leave the two little hooks off the sides, then JM's looks very much alike.
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A Christmas card to his son. I think it says 1920.

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Statue of Belle Starr.

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Jo Mora some time shortly after 1900.
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Originally Posted by Calhoun
I've never seen mention of Savage installing Noske scopes. Never say never.

I was thinking along the lines of 487/1 being something special as it left the factory.

14776 is 4 months later after being sent in.
Rudolf Noske’s shop was in San Carlos, less than 100 miles from Carmel. Chances are high he got Noske to mount it. Peter Hiller said he is friends with the man that facilitated the sale of most of Mora’s firearms. He reached out to him, sent him the pics I sent, to see if he remembers this particular rifle. He said he is a gun guy and if this one was in the sale, he may remember it. But family members kept guns too, so he may not have handled it.

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