24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 10 1 2 3 4 9 10
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 30,954
A
Campfire 'Bwana
OP Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
A
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 30,954
Originally Posted by ribka
Of course Americans think that billion dollar F 35's and big air craft carriers will win this war lol

Wow, the way you write, it's almost like you're not really an American!

Nice fail. Bot.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
GB1

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
Tell us about you and Johnny Burns " military Kits" lol







Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by ribka
So it was a great Idea and applauded when Ukraine was given upgraded T 55's a few months ago lol. But now its a horrible idea.

Upgrade them with modern fire control systems, reactive armor and place with infantry platoons when clearing out trenches, fortified positions. The tanks act as cover for moving infantry units , and 100 mm is great for clearing out embedded troops. Of course Americans think that billion dollar F 35's and big air craft carriers will win this war lol

Plus Russia has millions of 100 mm rounds already produced. While the west is scrambling to manufacture rounds which are dwindling very fast

Actually makes sense




They were fighting an invader.

Still doesn't make sense?
.

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
Of course Americans think that billion dollar F 35's and big air craft carriers will win this war lol

Wow, the way you write, it's almost like you're not really an American!

Nice fail. Bot.
\

Moron Biden voters gonna keep destroying Merica. Especially the ones that don't even know where Ukraine is but are now instant combat eggspurts

congrats and saliva Ukraine

Last edited by ribka; 03/27/23.
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,444
J
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
J
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,444
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
Of course Americans think that billion dollar F 35's and big air craft carriers will win this war lol

Wow, the way you write, it's almost like you're not really an American!

Nice fail. Bot.
\

Moron Biden voters gonna keep destroying Merica

congrats


Does America have borders?

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,444
J
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
J
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,444
Seems pretty constitutional

IC B2

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
These Biden voters selling out America



Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Originally Posted by JoeBob
If you’re infantry without anti-armor weapons, it doesn’t really matter if you are facing a T-34 or an M-1, you’re phuqed. If you have Javelins, it doesn’t really matter which you are facing, you can kill it.

I guess the question is, why would Russia waste its best tanks on infantry support? Particularly when a lot of these are going to be crewed by militias and separatists anyway? And I would suspect that a lot of them are going to be used as glorified APCs anyway.

Plus it’s pretty stupid. When NATO sends fifty year old Leopards and T-55s instead of its best stuff, it’s a way of getting something into the fight and “Slava Ukraine”. When Russia pulls some crap out of a depo and sends it instead of its best stuff, it’s “Look how desperate those slaps are.”

What those like you don't understand is there are many different Anti Tank Missles (ATMs) of which the Jav is the best but most expensive.

T-55s are vulnerable to many more varied ATMs than a T-64 variant or a T-90. An old school RPG-7 would probably go through both side and the cheap old AT-4 will kill it with a single shot from any angle.

The T-55 has very old dated optics, no thermal sight, old fire control and a unstabilized gun smaller than any of the other Orc tanks that have been deployed and destroyed.

It's sad that anyone with so little knowledge of tanks and thinks a T-55 is the equivalent of a M1 feels free to spout off.

The internet is the internet.


John Burns

I have all the sources.
They can't stop the signal.

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Originally Posted by ribka
The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Beware you are about to incur the wrath of the USAF gas station attendant. The F-35 does have some pretty state of the art gizmos, then again you can put them on a 747 and get the same results. As a fighter, it's a DOG, particularly in multi-bandit environments AFTER the merge, not to mention the idiocy of a single engine platform for Naval Aviation.

F-35s have been supplying very good ISR on this conflict. Being able to open a 50 mile AESA aperture is ground breaking, pun intended.

Not going to do that with the Radar Cross Section (RCS) of a 747.

The 2 engined Tomcat has a much worse safety record than the F-35.

It's fun to correct old cogers who can't keep up with current millitary aviation.

Originally Posted by ...HorHay69 yelling at clouds
[Linked Image from external-content.duckduckgo.com]


John Burns

I have all the sources.
They can't stop the signal.

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 17,921
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 17,921
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by JoeBob
If you’re infantry without anti-armor weapons, it doesn’t really matter if you are facing a T-34 or an M-1, you’re phuqed. If you have Javelins, it doesn’t really matter which you are facing, you can kill it.

I guess the question is, why would Russia waste its best tanks on infantry support? Particularly when a lot of these are going to be crewed by militias and separatists anyway? And I would suspect that a lot of them are going to be used as glorified APCs anyway.

Plus it’s pretty stupid. When NATO sends fifty year old Leopards and T-55s instead of its best stuff, it’s a way of getting something into the fight and “Slava Ukraine”. When Russia pulls some crap out of a depo and sends it instead of its best stuff, it’s “Look how desperate those slaps are.”

What those like you don't understand is there are many different Anti Tank Missles (ATMs) of which the Jav is the best but most expensive.

T-55s are vulnerable to many more varied ATMs than a T-64 variant or a T-90. An old school RPG-7 would probably go through both side and the cheap old AT-4 will kill it with a single shot from any angle.

The T-55 has very old dated optics, no thermal sight, old fire control and a unstabilized gun smaller than any of the other Orc tanks that have been deployed and destroyed.

It's sad that anyone with so little knowledge of tanks and thinks a T-55 is the equivalent of a M1 feels free to spout off.

The internet is the internet.

The Wizardly Oracle of Omaha has spoken.....


"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

We are all Rhodesians now.






Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 15,651
N
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
N
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 15,651
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.


NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.
IC B3

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,795
J
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
J
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,795
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by JoeBob
If you’re infantry without anti-armor weapons, it doesn’t really matter if you are facing a T-34 or an M-1, you’re phuqed. If you have Javelins, it doesn’t really matter which you are facing, you can kill it.

I guess the question is, why would Russia waste its best tanks on infantry support? Particularly when a lot of these are going to be crewed by militias and separatists anyway? And I would suspect that a lot of them are going to be used as glorified APCs anyway.

Plus it’s pretty stupid. When NATO sends fifty year old Leopards and T-55s instead of its best stuff, it’s a way of getting something into the fight and “Slava Ukraine”. When Russia pulls some crap out of a depo and sends it instead of its best stuff, it’s “Look how desperate those slaps are.”

What those like you don't understand is there are many different Anti Tank Missles (ATMs) of which the Jav is the best but most expensive.

T-55s are vulnerable to many more varied ATMs than a T-64 variant or a T-90. An old school RPG-7 would probably go through both side and the cheap old AT-4 will kill it with a single shot from any angle.

The T-55 has very old dated optics, no thermal sight, old fire control and a unstabilized gun smaller than any of the other Orc tanks that have been deployed and destroyed.

It's sad that anyone with so little knowledge of tanks and thinks a T-55 is the equivalent of a M1 feels free to spout off.

The internet is the internet.


Amazing how a guy who makes really schitty rifles thinks he is an expert on tanks or whatever the phuq else one can be an expert at by sucking off some dudes who claim to be operators.

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,154
D
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
D
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,154
Originally Posted by navlav8r
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.
It'll be fun when the wizard shows up to school you.

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 17,111
V
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
V
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 17,111
Brilliant, send in old stuff to use up the Ukes anti tank weapons.

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
Johhnie vodka. What was your mos in the military and what did you do?


How many times were in combat pumping gas in the US in the airforce? Lmao

Originally Posted by navlav8r
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.

Can a f35 land on a dirt river road in a a combat area like a SU
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by JoeBob
If you’re infantry without anti-armor weapons, it doesn’t really matter if you are facing a T-34 or an M-1, you’re phuqed. If you have Javelins, it doesn’t really matter which you are facing, you can kill it.

I guess the question is, why would Russia waste its best tanks on infantry support? Particularly when a lot of these are going to be crewed by militias and separatists anyway? And I would suspect that a lot of them are going to be used as glorified APCs anyway.

Plus it’s pretty stupid. When NATO sends fifty year old Leopards and T-55s instead of its best stuff, it’s a way of getting something into the fight and “Slava Ukraine”. When Russia pulls some crap out of a depo and sends it instead of its best stuff, it’s “Look how desperate those slaps are.”

What those like you don't understand is there are many different Anti Tank Missles (ATMs) of which the Jav is the best but most expensive.

T-55s are vulnerable to many more varied ATMs than a T-64 variant or a T-90. An old school RPG-7 would probably go through both side and the cheap old AT-4 will kill it with a single shot from any angle.

The T-55 has very old dated optics, no thermal sight, old fire control and a unstabilized gun smaller than any of the other Orc tanks that have been deployed and destroyed.

It's sad that anyone with so little knowledge of tanks and thinks a T-55 is the equivalent of a M1 feels free to spout off.

The internet is the internet.

Last edited by ribka; 03/27/23.
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Originally Posted by navlav8r
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.

I am going on developement/IOC and Hour for Hour up to this point.

The F-35 has the best safety record in history at this point.

It is open source that the F-35 can use the MADL to open a large AESA SAR aperture between 2 jets.

Block 4 jets will be even better.

I can understand how 2 engines would preferred but the F-35 so far has proven very safe for a combat jet.


John Burns

I have all the sources.
They can't stop the signal.

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
Burns. Being a self described combat weapons systems expert

Did you serve in the Military and what did you do? Your MOS

Were you a fighter pilot, tank commander. Under water demo expert , spec ops, sniper with the SEALS?

Were you cross trained in all of the above like James Bond?

Thanks

Last edited by ribka; 03/27/23.
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by navlav8r
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.

Can a f35 land on a dirt river road in a a combat area like a SU

Damn you are a stupid one.



John Burns

I have all the sources.
They can't stop the signal.

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
Burns

Were you a pilot?

Navy SEAL?

Delta Force?

Tank commander?

Force recon?

You seem to be an accomplished subject matter experts in all of these area


Just curious

Thanks!!!



Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by navlav8r
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.

Can a f35 land on a dirt river road in a a combat area like a SU

Damn you are a stupid one.


Last edited by ribka; 03/27/23.
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,074
Originally Posted by ribka
Burns

Were you a pilot?

Navy SEAL?

Delta Force?

Tank commander?

Force recon?

You seem to be an accomplished subject matter experts in all of these area


Just curious

Thanks!!!



Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by navlav8r
John, how long was the Tomcat in service? How long has the F-35 been operationally deployed? Comparing their safety record is a little apples and oranges.

The F-35 has a lot of capabilities that can’t be discussed here. A friend of mine, a Marine colonel has deployed with the F-35 and he told me that once the pilot gets the hang of using everything, it’s an incredible platform. Personally, I’d much rather fight in a two engine platform with the redundant electrical and hydraulic systems.

Can a f35 land on a dirt river road in a a combat area like a SU

Damn you are a stupid one.


WIZARD.


[Linked Image from external-content.duckduckgo.com]


John Burns

I have all the sources.
They can't stop the signal.

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 24,136
So one of biggest concern now with Ukraine is lack of armored vehicles , tanks arty, and lack of artillery ammo

At least Zelenskiy keeps begging for this

Russia has 100’s of ready t 55 ‘s , millions of rounds of 100 mm rounds .

An upgrade to the fire control systems , night vision, throw reactive armor. All done cheaply and quickly while Ukraine waits months or even years for rearming and the main battle starting in end of April


I can see why Biden voters with no military experience hate this. Lol

Last edited by ribka; 03/27/23.
Page 2 of 10 1 2 3 4 9 10

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

512 members (1OntarioJim, 007FJ, 1Longbow, 1moredeer, 160user, 10Glocks, 42 invisible), 2,290 guests, and 1,140 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,395
Posts18,469,994
Members73,931
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.104s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.9159 MB (Peak: 1.0993 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-26 12:39:15 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS