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Both capable rifles/cartridges. What do you have on top for a glass? If you`re comfortable to 5, might just be a matter of reading conditions better than what you are doing now, and that takes some practice. Something most people aren`t willing to do with the rifles their going to hunt with.
BTB, if you are able to shoot these rifles 1 inch or under at 100, it`s not the rifles. This is super helpful and makes sense. They both shoot under an inch and I’m consistent at 500. I’m thinking I was miss reading the wind. VX5 15x on the 7mag, and a Trijicon Credo 4–16 X 50 on the 700.
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OP, what scope do you have? That’s probably the most important part of this TBH. If you have an appropriate scope, and since you own Tikka already, a Tikka in 6.5 CM would likely not suck. You’ll likely want to use a long box and modify the bolt stop, but you never know, might shoot great even away from the lands. Personally? Go 6.5 GAP 4S (6.5 SAUM) on a short action M700 using George’s reamer spec and laugh all the way to the bank. Unfortunately you’ll be going to the bank to get money to try to buy brass <g>. But other than that it’s awesome. Currently a VX5 on the 7mag but I have an SWFA 10X that I could use and I have a Trijicon Credo 4–16 X50
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Based on what I’m reading I think I’m going to hold off on anything other than working up some different loads and trying to improve my capabilities, personally, as a shooter.
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Maybe I will try a one of those Arkens ‘Stick recommends.
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Based on what I’m reading I think I’m going to hold off on anything other than working up some different loads and trying to improve my capabilities, personally, as a shooter. That sounds wise to me
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The Reupold Confession initially,would have perhaps changed the conversation. Hint. Barkin' Arken pointed towards 1600yd steel. Big Green 7mm RemMag,3.580" COAL 180 ELD Smooches at 2980fps. Hint. 'Nother with 3-12x LRTS/G3. Throats identical(by design). Shorter spout at 2950fps. Hint. I like my 280's throated same. Hint. Your tool selection(s),are hurting you MUCHLY. Hint...............
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Never used a VX5, and not looking to bash it, but I wouldn’t trust that scope unless/until it shot a damn fine tall target test or three and then returned to zero and shot a small group.
Heck… just do the poor man’s version. Shoot a shot at 100 yards, dial the scope up 15-20 MOA, back to zero, shoot a shot, repeat. If the group isn’t “under an inch” then Houston, you have a problem. If it passes that test, then shoot a tall target test. It should print those groups “under an inch” right up the line. I had a Zeiss that did ok in terms of elevation tracking/repeating but around, if memory serves, 12 MOA from my zero it’d print about an inch to the left of the line. I have a Swaro with a reticle canted slightly relative to the adjustments; as you dial up, the shots just gradually drift off to the right of the centerline. No bueno.
All this stuff adds up. Some scope tracking error… some wind call error…
And, bullets. I swear to you, if you haven’t tried 162 ELDM’s in your 7 mag, they will up your game all by themselves.
The CENTER will hold.
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I’m no long range shooter expert by any means but I did stay at holiday inn. in all seriousness. And this just from my limited knowledge If you’re shooting those guns with those scopes under an inch at 100, but you’re 2 moa+ at 500. It’s probably your technique. My cheap tc venture in 270, with VX2 3-9x40 CDS can hit 8” gong at 600 consistently with cheap 140 SST bullets.. Past that my groups start to open up. It doesn’t help the thick cross hair cover all of the gong but the most outer edges I’d try different bullets or keep working on your shooting technique and get more consistent groups at 300/400 yards before going 500/600
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All good! Thanks this is all helpful.
‘Stick, what is the Last pic? The “Incredible Hulk”. Is that a 7mag also?
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Never used a VX5, and not looking to bash it, but I wouldn’t trust that scope unless/until it shot a damn fine tall target test or three and then returned to zero and shot a small group.
Heck… just do the poor man’s version. Shoot a shot at 100 yards, dial the scope up 15-20 MOA, back to zero, shoot a shot, repeat. If the group isn’t “under an inch” then Houston, you have a problem. If it passes that test, then shoot a tall target test. It should print those groups “under an inch” right up the line. I had a Zeiss that did ok in terms of elevation tracking/repeating but around, if memory serves, 12 MOA from my zero it’d print about an inch to the left of the line. I have a Swaro with a reticle canted slightly relative to the adjustments; as you dial up, the shots just gradually drift off to the right of the centerline. No bueno.
All this stuff adds up. Some scope tracking error… some wind call error…
And, bullets. I swear to you, if you haven’t tried 162 ELDM’s in your 7 mag, they will up your game all by themselves. Yeah it does all add up. Your assessment makes sense. I will try the tracking exercise you suggest.
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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That Trijicon Credo 4–16 should get the job done for you if your shooting out to 700yds. I would put it on your most accurate rifle and put some rounds down range. put some flags down range, keep an eye on your wind. Pay attention to your mirage. move back to 500 where you have some confidence. Practice basic fundamentals. Trigger control, breathe, relax, squeeze, follow through, etc. Call your shots. Get good at 500. Then move out to 700. That should get you better results than just starting a 700 and guessing why your not hitting the target. Jmo. I would try that first before spending any money.
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That Trijicon Credo 4–16 should get the job done for you if your shooting out to 700yds. I would put it on your most accurate rifle and put some rounds down range. put some flags down range, keep an eye on your wind. Pay attention to your mirage. move back to 500 where you have some confidence. Practice basic fundamentals. Trigger control, breathe, relax, squeeze, follow through, etc. Call your shots. Get good at 500. Then move out to 700. That should get you better results than just starting a 700 and guessing why your not hitting the target. Jmo. I would try that first before spending any money. Copy that. Gonna start here.
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Man, Stick you definitely have all the goods. Sure looks like fun.
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Easy to like the 180 eld m’s Area 419 built 7mm mag…
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Very nice, always puts a smile on my face when there all touching @ 100yds.
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More than enough glass to do what you want to get done.
One more thing...if possible, shoot with a partner, spoter, they can be a help in calling conditions, and you both learn something.
Good Luck.
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Easy to like the 180 eld m’s Area 419 built 7mm mag… Yessir!
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I would prioritize shootability, glass, and bullets, in that order. Your Tikka 7RM isn’t the rifle to learn LR shooting with, IMO. That RPR in 6.5 CM with your SS 10x on top, shooting the 147 ELD, would be a great tool. If sticking with your .308, the 155 Scenar would be a good choice, and your Credo 4-16x should work okay.
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