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Ramshot Hunter worked well for me in a 23.625" Model 70 Classic Sporter. I got multiple 0.75 MOA groups out to 320 yards with three loads: • 58.5 grains/180-grain Hornady flat-based spitzer at 2,800 fps • 61.0 grains/168-grain Barnes TSX at 2,930 fps • 61.6 grains/165-grain Barnes TTSX at 2,800 fps
All three loads used Remington brass and Winchester Large Rifle primers.
Okie John In my rile a Kimber Classic Select I loaded 64 hrs. Ramshot Hunter behind the 168 TTSX, Federal 215 prime for 2951 FPS Shot this 3 shot group at 200 yards
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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52 grains of IMR4064 and a 150. Why would anyone make a 150 gr load their pet load in an '06. When you could have a 150 in a 270 280, or 7-08? Beats helloutta me. MM
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I’ve gotten best accuracy with 180 grain flat base bullets. First with CL’s, later Interlocks - H4895 & H4831 & H4831sc powders, oh yes MR3100 too
I have 13 each 30-06’s. Well now it’s down to a dozen since I sold my early 700. The 03A3’s definitely prefer the 180 grain bullets. I’ve shot Springfields since 60 years ago. Not as much lately.
The 700’s shoot multiple bullets better than the Springfields with other than 180 grain bullets. But I’ve shot many - less than 1/2” and sometimes 1/4” or better groups with those Springfields and 180 grain bullets.
My M1’s I’ve mainly shot 150 grain and H4895 bullets. Mostly at steel silhouette, but also 500 yard and 500 meter paper.
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I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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52 grains of IMR4064 and a 150. Why would anyone make a 150 gr load their pet load in an '06. When you could have a 150 in a 270 280, or 7-08? Beats helloutta me. MM More than one load for a rifle makes sense of you only have one, a couple or three. So does having a spectrum of rifles chambered in various cartridges and having overlapping application if you wanna swing that way. My own preference is to have a single load for each rifle, and I prefer heavier bullets rather than lighter if I intend to shoot something that might want to stomp a mudhole in my ass. The .30-06 gets fed 180s, one .280 eats 174s and another gets fed 150 Partitions, the Whelen is on a diet of 225 ABs...but if I had only one rifle in that class I might load two or even three bullet weights. Is there a wrong way to do it?
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FWIW, a 150gr NP over a starting level charge of 46.0gr of H4895 has shot really well out of at least four rifles, and killed at least one deer for me as quickly as anything else. Velocity is presumably about 2800, pressures mild. Original ‘06 velocity with 150s, where it made its bones, so to speak, was about 2700. What’s not to like? Shots here are generally close, so trajectory and wind drift don’t much matter either.
I usually shoot 160s in my .270s, also at presumably about 2700.
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My 06 loves flat based 150s. Imr 4320 is my favorite powder for that bullet. It'll shoot 165s ok with 4350. Seems like those 150s do just fine. I've even shot them with 4831. Not ideal, bit it's what I had at the time. I've shot 4 different powders outta that rifle with a 150 interlock and they all work. Some are just faster than others. 1 inch or so down range difference. I actually bought that rifle to shoot a 165 but it didn't like them for some reason. Went to the 150 years ago and I'm glad I did. Favorite bullet now.
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52 grains of IMR4064 and a 150. Why would anyone make a 150 gr load their pet load in an '06. When you could have a 150 in a 270 280, or 7-08? Beats helloutta me. MM Because they don't have a .270, .280, or 7-08
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52 grains of IMR4064 and a 150. Why would anyone make a 150 gr load their pet load in an '06. When you could have a 150 in a 270 280, or 7-08? Beats helloutta me. MM Because they don't have a .270, .280, or 7-08 I've been thinking of trying this load in my .30-06 AI with 155 Scenars. I've got a good stash of those bullets and thinking the Scenar/4064 combo should really perform and with lighter recoil than a traditional '06 load. Will post when I do so.
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A 30-06 can literally take the place of every firearm in my safe. 110s through 220s. Coyotes to Moose. Load a 30-06 with 110s and run it side by side with a 25-06 running 110s. Then lad a 30-06 running 150s next to a 280 running 150s. You'll be surprised to see just how identical they are. M.V., Energy, Trajectory, all that will be so close its not even worth it. Fun to have variety, but give me the 06 with a good 150 grain load.
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Question for the pros. I’m a newbie reloader. I developed a load using 56g of H4350/fed brass/ rem primers and 180g sp. I started seeing pressure signs between 56.8-57.2. My best groups were at 56.8 but I’d get the occasional smiley face from the bolt on some brass depending on my seating depth. Went down to 55gr of h4350 and found a decent seating node. Just recently purchased some Nosler brass and made a few to test using 55gr and had pressure signs. Backed it down to 54 and my velocities with 54gr in Nosler brass match velocities of 56.8 gr in federal brass. Same seating depth. Is that common?
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52 grains of IMR4064 and a 150. Why would anyone make a 150 gr load their pet load in an '06. When you could have a 150 in a 270 280, or 7-08? Beats helloutta me. MM Because they don't have a .270, .280, or 7-08 And because it shoots accurately, cheap to load, mild recoil, and it plenty of bullet/velocity for killing deer sized game at 5-300 yards.
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Question for the pros. . . . ? I don’t consider myself a “Pro”, but I’ve loaded a bunch of 30-06 ammo for hunting groundhogs to bears, and 1000 yd competition. I’m not surprised at your observations with Federal brass. My experience has been that it’s heavy and soft, both of which will give you early pressure signs individually, let alone combined. I don’t have any firsthand experience with Nosler brass, but from your description, it sounds like it is maybe heavier (less powder capacity) than your Federal brass. It would be interesting to see their weight differences (if any!). I’ve used mostly Lake City Match, or other GI brass, inherited from my father. If I were buying 30-06 brass today, it would be Lapua. It is expensive, but “wears” well (sufficiently hard), and handles pressures on the upper end of the 30-06 range with no issues. It’s not “light”, but neck thickness is so consistent that when I was competing, I’d get 98 “good” cases out of a box of 100. For hunting loads, they’re all good. For “garden variety” brass, go with Winchester. The recent stuff I’ve seen isn’t too bad, especially for generic hunting use. BTW, one of my favorite “heavy” hunting loads in 30-06 is 53.0 grains of H4350 behind a 200 grain Nosler Partition. It chronographs a very consistent 2585 fps out of my R8, using LC Match brass. At 54 grains behind a 180 grain bullet, you are near the upper limit, but not crazy hot. Your rifle will “tell you” when you need to back down, and it sounds like you are actively observing for those signs - good job!
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Question for the pros. . . . ? I don’t consider myself a “Pro”, but I’ve loaded a bunch of 30-06 ammo for hunting groundhogs to bears, and 1000 yd competition. I’m not surprised at your observations with Federal brass. My experience has been that it’s heavy and soft, both of which will give you early pressure signs individually, let alone combined. I don’t have any firsthand experience with Nosler brass, but from your description, it sounds like it is maybe heavier (less powder capacity) than your Federal brass. It would be interesting to see their weight differences (if any!). I’ve used mostly Lake City Match, or other GI brass, inherited from my father. If I were buying 30-06 brass today, it would be Lapua. It is expensive, but “wears” well (sufficiently hard), and handles pressures on the upper end of the 30-06 range with no issues. It’s not “light”, but neck thickness is so consistent that when I was competing, I’d get 98 “good” cases out of a box of 100. For hunting loads, they’re all good. For “garden variety” brass, go with Winchester. The recent stuff I’ve seen isn’t too bad, especially for generic hunting use. BTW, one of my favorite “heavy” hunting loads in 30-06 is 53.0 grains of H4350 behind a 200 grain Nosler Partition. It chronographs a very consistent 2585 fps out of my R8, using LC Match brass. At 54 grains behind a 180 grain bullet, you are near the upper limit, but not crazy hot. Your rifle will “tell you” when you need to back down, and it sounds like you are actively observing for those signs - good job! Thanks John
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The only thing I used my 30-06 for was elk and bullet of choice was 180gr Hornady SP. If I wanted to hunt deer I had other options that I loaded lighter bullet's in.
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52 grns IMR 4064 with 150 grn bullets. Nephew has been loading 52.8 of 4064 for atleast 40 years for 15-20 different people and rifles. No complaints. We use 150’s because a big deer for us will weigh 200 lbs and if it runs after the shot very far without a good blood trail it will probably be lost. Hunt right of way in very thick woods.
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52 grns IMR 4064 with 150 grn bullets. Nephew has been loading 52.8 of 4064 for atleast 40 years for 15-20 different people and rifles. No complaints. We use 150’s because a big deer for us will weigh 200 lbs and if it runs after the shot very far without a good blood trail it will probably be lost. Hunt right of way in very thick woods. Welcome to the Campfire. I like 150 partitions with 59 grains IMR 4350. I’ve loaded that for almost 50 years. It has shot well in at least 20 rifles. I think I have six right now.
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Thanks. I’ve been a long time lurker and decided to sign up and get in some of the conversations. I’m definitely going to try your 4350 load in a new 06 I got recently. Been shot 8 times so far. I have a bunch of IMR and H 4350 and some RL16 to try. I’m loading the 160 Partitions in my 7mmRM. Thanks again.
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I only hunt in Alaska and for several years I have been using the Barnes 168 grain TTSX bullet, Norma Brass, Fed. 210 Match primers and 58 grains of H4350 in my old Mod. 70 Featherweight 30-06. Getting about 2,836 fps mv.
Recoils less and shoots flatter then my old 200 grain Partition with H4831 but penetration is similar. Also used to use the 180 grain X bullet and 60 grains of RL 19 for about 2,800 fps mv.
I want to try Hunter and a mag primer with the 168 TTSX and a 220 grain Partition for a close range big bear load.
If I lived in the "states" I would try the 168 grain Accubond Long Range bullet. Info says it only needs 1,300 fps mv for expansion. Sounds like a perfect match for the 30-06 case and a good "all around" load for elk deer, etc.
I hit a caribou with the 168 grain TTSX behind the last rib on a raking shot as it was walking away from me in the woods at about 60 yards. The bullet came out of the off shoulder going through the scapula on exit. A good three feet of penetration and the caribou just dropped. I would be ok using this load on our big brown bears.
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My go-to load is a 180 grain Nosler BT, AB, or Partition with 56 grains of 4350. As proven accurate out of all 30 06 rifles I have fired it from and shoot 3/4" groups with my go-to custom Mauser 30-06.
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My go-to load is a 180 grain Nosler BT, AB, or Partition with 56 grains of 4350. As proven accurate out of all 30 06 rifles I have fired it from and shoot 3/4" groups with my go-to custom Mauser 30-06. I’ll have to try that one out also. I have several boxes of Barnes TTSX 150’s to try also. They work phenomenally in the 300’s.
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