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Historically, when societies unravel, the first thing to disappear is fauna/wildlife.
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Lots of guys on here talk about shooting deer to feed the family. I got curious on just how long the deer population would last if/when it gets to this. Here are a few states I picked at random, human and deer populations. Of course the majority of people wouldn't or couldn't hunt, but if even 10% of the population went out and killed a deer, in any state the deer would be extinct in months, some in weeks. There are other factors to consider, of course, like private land. However, in a crisis, private boundaries would cease to exist. You can't stop all the poachers. North Carolina humans: 10.7 mill deer 1 mill Texas humans:30.3 mill deer: 5.3 mill Kentucky humans: 4.6 mill deer: 950 thou Montana humans: 1.1 mill deer: 508 thou Idaho humans 1.9 mill deer 780 thou It's Arizona humans: 7.4 mill deer: 147 thou Here are the links to human and deer populations for all the states so you can calculate any other state: HUMANS DEER On the deer page, scroll down a ways to get the total of whitetails and mulies. Lots of guys on here talk about shooting deer to feed the family. I got curious on just how long the deer population would last if/when it gets to this. Here are a few states I picked at random, human and deer populations. Of course the majority of people wouldn't or couldn't hunt, but if even 10% of the population went out and killed a deer, in any state the deer would be extinct in months, some in weeks. There are other factors to consider, of course, like private land. However, in a crisis, private boundaries would cease to exist. You can't stop all the poachers. North Carolina humans: 10.7 mill deer 1 mill Texas humans:30.3 mill deer: 5.3 mill Kentucky humans: 4.6 mill deer: 950 thou Montana humans: 1.1 mill deer: 508 thou Idaho humans 1.9 mill deer 780 thou Arizona humans: 7.4 mill deer: 147 thou Here are the links to human and deer populations for all the states so you can calculate any other state: HUMANS DEER On the deer page, scroll down a ways to get the total of whitetails and mulies. no
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Historically, when societies unravel, the first thing to disappear is fauna/wildlife. I'm not arguing with you when I ask this, but what events in history have shown this?
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Living on the coast is a plus. But the fish will disappear too.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
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I could live off all kinds of game animals. Not for long
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Historically, when societies unravel, the first thing to disappear is fauna/wildlife. I'm not arguing with you when I ask this, but what events in history have shown this? It has happened during wars in Africa. Mozambique comes to mind. Wildlife in some areas were decimated to feed armies/rebels/civilians.
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Historically, when societies unravel, the first thing to disappear is fauna/wildlife. you will have to survive on long pig
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Historically, when societies unravel, the first thing to disappear is fauna/wildlife. I'm not arguing with you when I ask this, but what events in history have shown this? It wasn't an unraveling but in the late 1800's Americans were moving west. There were no hunting limits and market hunting was legal. Wildlife took a big hit. Whitetails were on the edge of extinction and the passenger pigeon did go extinct. Goose and duck numbers plummeted from market hunting.
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My grandmother told us that during the Great Depression in PENN white tail were very hard to find do to night shooting I’ve heard this too
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Not a chance.
Most hunting societies were nomads. Moving with the game, or as it was depleted.
Our populations far surpass those. In every state.
The old folk who remembered the depression talked about just seeing deer tracks
as being a big deal. Black bear were wiped out here. Not sure why, but turkeys were
too. I remember turkeys being a big deal. All they had was small game. Rabbits are
much scarcer in the last 40 years.
Most men around here hunt, or used to. Put in survival mode, the water and land would soon be stripped. Game laws and sportsmanship don't mean squat if you
need meat. Heck, that concept is prevalent now.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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I disagree about game and fish being depleted
quickly. It's relatively decent living conditions
right now ( relatively) and I know lots of people
can't go afield and reliably take game or fish.
I know as many or more that can't dress animals
or fish properly, and preserve and/or prepare
them properly. Just guessing maybe 60% that
carry their whole deer to a processor and can't
dress one. If you figure the woods will be like an
opening day weekend, figure that times 3 or 4
plus the nutjobs that have the itch to kill a man
and would love to see you slipping around looking
for a deer or a wabbit. Plus the pinheads that
hunt now and make sound shots and such
nonsense. I imagine the animals will haul a$$
for the lonesome sticks
IMO we'll have a good many types from "The Road "
that'll resort to having their fellow humans
for dinner, and I don't mean in a chair across the
table from them
Semi related- any good possum recipes ?
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I disagree about game and fish being depleted
quickly. It's relatively decent living conditions
right now ( relatively) and I know lots of people
can't go afield and reliably take game or fish.
I know as many or more that can't dress animals
or fish properly, and preserve and/or prepare
them properly. Just guessing maybe 60% that
carry their whole deer to a processor and can't
dress one. If you figure the woods will be like an
opening day weekend, figure that times 3 or 4
plus the nutjobs that have the itch to kill a man
and would love to see you slipping around looking
for a deer or a wabbit. Plus the pinheads that
hunt now and make sound shots and such
nonsense. I imagine the animals will haul a$$
for the lonesome sticks
IMO we'll have a good many types from "The Road "
that'll resort to having their fellow humans
for dinner, and I don't mean in a chair across the
table from them
Semi related- any good possum recipes ? do you think an uyone will follow game or any other laws
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In the 1950s deer were very, very, very scarce in the east Texas piney woods for a long, long time.
Grandad told me something like black leg or hoof and mouth had come through, or something, long ago. He wasn't around when it started, as he moved to that country from Georgia as a kid. It was a fifty year or something longer occurence. People hunted squirrels and ducks.
The virgin timber was open and had grass. He and his brothers hunted wolves, from horseback, with hounds.
They were scarce when I was a kid. Most the timberland was unfenced and open range that paper companies owned and people hunted at will, as well as let their livestock roam at will.
I remember once as a kid when a cousin rode his horse a couple miles from the edge of Corrigan to visit an old man, Blind Willey, who had several acres he lived on near the Neches River bottom and came back by my Grandads farm reporting he had seen a doe.
It was big news.
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My grandmother told us that during the Great Depression in PENN white tail were very hard to find do to night shooting I’ve heard this too With a light that shined a whole 50'.
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The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
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Historically, when societies unravel, the first thing to disappear is fauna/wildlife. I'm not arguing with you when I ask this, but what events in history have shown this? There are a bunch. The most recent and well documented was the collapse of the USSR. All large mammal populations collapsed in the wake of it.
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I can look in my front yard and see four to five hundred pounds of wild game meat dressed every day, how long you think it will last
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The whole "a country boy can survive" thing sounds good, but is mostly nonsense. In such a catastrophic SHTF event, everything that walks, crawls, swims, and flies would likely be EXTINCT within three months.
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My grandmother told us that during the Great Depression in PENN white tail were very hard to find do to night shooting I’ve heard this too With a light that showed a whole 50'. Yep. When I was a kid and hunted coons or opossum barefoot at night in the forests around the farm or followed the oldsters camping out in the big woods and listening to the hounds on a fox while sitting around a fire, when the dogs bayed they were treed, the big 5 cells would show only the reflection of eyes from up in the tree. The men hated to have the hounds hit a Grey as they would soon have to leave the Campfire and go to the tree and knock it out with sling shots or climb the tree and "kick it out" (done with a stick) so the hounds could race again. They preferred the hounds to be on a red, so they could sit by the Fire and listen to the hounds bay on it's trail throughout the night. The hounds loved it. Their tails were always wagging.
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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A quick search on just TX showed 1.1 million licensed hunters and an estimated 1.5 mill hogs. If each hunter tried to shoot just 2, they'd be out of hogs. Of course many of the hogs would be inedible. Texas has a pretty aggressive hog eradication program going on right now and hogs shot by hunters is not effective. Trapping and heli-hunting seem the most effective but the pig population keeps growing. I don't think a mob of people can move out of the big cities using hunting and survive very far. Speaking of hogs, would you come in under 275 pounds? 250 pounds is a fat fugker if you’re not at least 5 foot five inches
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Deer, turkeys, doves, quail and a plethora of fishes.
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