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OK all you Bible interpreters....I don't give rats a-s-s about God's Chosen peeps.

What the better question is " Why do the majority of Jews in the US vote democratic" ?

Because many have eastern European ancestry/backgrounds meaning they're mostly socialists or communists in their beliefs.

Mat 15:22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon."
23 But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying out after us."
24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me."
26 And he answered, "It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs."
27 She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table."
28 Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly.

Jesus was born as a Jew, all of the disciples were Jews, and he flat out said that he came for the Jews. It was only after the Jews rejected him that he personally tagged Paul to be an apostle to the Gentiles. Then he visited Peter in a vision and told him that he'd made the Gentiles clean and to go to them.

Jesus came to the Jews to fulfil the law they'd lived under for 2000 years. He fulfilled dozens of prophecies written in their own scriptures. The Gentiles had never been under the law. Jesus sent Paul to them with a new message, one of grace, not law. The main thing that tied the Jews to the covenant was circumcision. It preceded the law and was all important to the Jews but when the Holy Spirit led the apostles to the Gentiles, it was no longer required. That's very significant. Paul wrote vigorously against gentiles being circumcised. He apparently believed that they would think they were saved by that rather than by grace. It would lead them toward believing they were saved by a work rather than faith.

Israel will always be God's chosen Nation, presently they have been set aside because they rejected Christ their Messiah, while God is bringing in people of all nations into the Church, once the Church is completed God will again start dealing with Israel, at first it will be through judgment called Jacobs Trouble or the great tribulation, they will go through tremendous difficulties and only one third will survive the persecution by the Antichrist, rest will perish. In their distress they will turn to God and Christ will come to deliver them, then they will recognize the one they disowned and had crucified. They will repent, will be forgiven and they will be built up into a great nation with Christ reigning in Jerusalem for 1000 years.

Context is very important. Read the 11th chapter of Romans.

Jesus was referring to the pharisees as the synagogue of Satan, not all Jews for all time.

Are you wanting to say something? About Fake Jews and that crap?

The Jews were and are the chosen people, even when they stayed. They are not chosen for what they do today, but because of oromises made to Abraham and Israel and Moses. Whether screwing up (which they seem to do more often than not, as we all do), or not.

Promises are promises.

Well then, wrong thread. Start a different one please.

No hijacking please.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father."

- 1st John, 2:22-23

Forced conclusion: All who deny the Son (referring to the Jews who denied Jesus, and to this day continue to), also deny the Father, and are therefore in league with antichrist.

I believe that is because those are the Jews that have turned their backs against God. They are not religious people

To be fair, it's not just the Jews. A big part of western culture has turned its back on God also. Surprisingly enough, there's a great resurgence of Orthodox Christianity taking place in Russia.

It was big in Ukraine also. But Zelensky has been closing down the churches and persecuting the Orthodox Monks,...as Bolsheviks are prone to do.

No more so than anybody not saved.

Christianity is growing very fast in radical Muslim countries, too. You don't hear about it because it has to be underground. Being a Christian can be a death sentence. There are many Book of Acts type missionaries working under cover in those countries and people are flocking to the truth.

The statement, like many other similar statements (many by Christ himself), referred to Jews in particular. It was only the Jews whose doctrine told them to look for the coming of "the Christ." The statement only makes sense, therefore, in their context. Furthermore, it was only the Jews who claimed to "have the Father," which was the common way of referring to their one God being Yahweh. Not all non-believers (although unsaved) are in league with antichrist. The New Testament is pretty clear that the Jews are that, in particular, and that for denying (and murdering, see 1 Thessalonians 2:15-16) Christ.

Might I suggest that watering down the Gospel might seem to you like the "nice" thing to do, but it's actually an expression of hate for those who need to receive it in full concentration.

Read the end of Deut 32, it was conditional.........

How, exactly, do you 'prolong' for ever??????

Joshua also indicated that it was conditional.............

Joshua 32: 14 “Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the Lord your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have [i]been fulfilled for you, not [j]one of them has failed. 15 It shall come about that just as all the good words which the Lord your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the Lord will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God has given you. 16 When you transgress the covenant of the Lord your God, which He commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them, then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you will perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.”

Sir, its because they are our “enemies” according to Paul in Romans and “the synagogue of Satan” directly from Jesus.

'Tis a puzzle to me too, you would think reflecting upon the history of the last century, of which they played a rather significant part, they would be the MAGAist of all...........

Any that aren’t Christian

I am curious about the opinion of several members here.

Do you think Jews are inherently evil?

Do you think God's covenant with the Jewish people was annulled?

How would you explain the miracle of the Jewish return to Israel after a 2000 year worldwide dispersal?

Any thoughts on the miraculous 1948 victory of the Jews over the Arab hordes?

Any thoughts on less than 2% of the world population controlling the world's money and finance?

Any thoughts on the fact that a nation smaller than some U.S. counties became a world superpower?