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We refer to the Jews as God's chosen people, but never ask,"What were they chosen for? Are they something like teacher's pet with special privileges? Or were they chosen to accomplish something important?" The answer is that they were chosen to be the conduit through which God would bring the Messiah into the world--to provide salvation to the entire world, not just the Jews. They fulfilled that mission through the birth of Jesus, but subsequently failed to recognize it. Now that their primary mission has been completed, they are on an equal playing field with the rest of the world. Accept Christ and be saved, or reject Christ and be lost. No special treatment.
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I know that Paul said in Romans they are our “enemies” and Jesus called them “synagogues of Satan” ? Context is very important. Read the 11th chapter of Romans. Jesus was referring to the pharisees as the synagogue of Satan, not all Jews for all time. Any that aren’t Christian Most ''Christians" are not Christian.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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I don’t know man, my Lord said they are, a few other places it says so in the Good Book. Paul said they are the enemies of my faith. I don’t feel a person that considers themselves “Jews” to be any more “inherently evil” than say a kid diddler, a transgender person, murderers, run of the mill criminals, nor God haters. The fruit they produce doesn’t seem to swuft ! Its as if they were trying to use a special club card like BLM, or any other victim mentality sub culture. I am curious about the opinion of several members here.
Do you think Jews are inherently evil?
Do you think God's covenant with the Jewish people was annulled?
How would you explain the miracle of the Jewish return to Israel after a 2000 year worldwide dispersal?
Any thoughts on the miraculous 1948 victory of the Jews over the Arab hordes?
Any thoughts on less than 2% of the world population controlling the world's money and finance?
Any thoughts on the fact that a nation smaller than some U.S. counties became a world superpower?
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I am curious about the opinion of several members here.
Do you think Jews are inherently evil? Yes, they're subversive POS who ruin every country/culture they encounter.
Do you think God's covenant with the Jewish people was annulled? Yes, the new covenant replaced them for being POS.
How would you explain the miracle of the Jewish return to Israel after a 2000 year worldwide dispersal? It's been the zionist plans for hundreds of years. They even bothered Abraham Lincoln about it during the Civil War. England gave them the land after WW2. They then turned around and killed English soldiers (The Sergeants affair). They're a parasitic terrorist state with illegal nukes.
Any thoughts on the miraculous 1948 victory of the Jews over the Arab hordes? Well when you subvert and take over the 2 largest superpowers (US, USSR) its not hard to get a military leg up. Nothing godly here
Any thoughts on less than 2% of the world population controlling the world's money and finance? Subversion and nepotism.
Any thoughts on the fact that a nation smaller than some U.S. counties became a world superpower? Without worldwide ZOG they'd be wiped off the map quickly.
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We refer to the Jews as God's chosen people, but never ask,"What were they chosen for? Are they something like teacher's pet with special privileges? Or were they chosen to accomplish something important?" The answer is that they were chosen to be the conduit through which God would bring the Messiah into the world--to provide salvation to the entire world, not just the Jews. They fulfilled that mission through the birth of Jesus, but subsequently failed to recognize it. Now that their primary mission has been completed, they are on an equal playing field with the rest of the world. Accept Christ and be saved, or reject Christ and be lost. No special treatment. Jews are descendants of Abraham. God made a pact with Abraham because he listened. First God proved that he could believe in what he couldn't see by leading him away from everything he knew. Then God made special promises to him because he listened. This promise bound both of them. Part of the promise was the sign of circumcision to show the promise carried on to offspring. Then God asked his blood bound partner to sacrifice his son. Somehow this covenant between them gave God a correct path to have his own supernatural born son, just like Abraham and sacrifice him, just like Abraham. The purpose of the whole thing was to give God the correct path to save the world through Jesus. That's why Jews are the chosen people and why Jesus gave them first refusal rights.
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We refer to the Jews as God's chosen people, but never ask,"What were they chosen for? Are they something like teacher's pet with special privileges? Or were they chosen to accomplish something important?" The answer is that they were chosen to be the conduit through which God would bring the Messiah into the world--to provide salvation to the entire world, not just the Jews. They fulfilled that mission through the birth of Jesus, but subsequently failed to recognize it. Now that their primary mission has been completed, they are on an equal playing field with the rest of the world. Accept Christ and be saved, or reject Christ and be lost. No special treatment. Bingo! How can a Christian not know this?
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Jesus never disowned the Jews John 8:42-47,...the Messiah spells it out in plain language who they are that choose not to follow him. It wasn't a choice. Jesus does not meet the description of the promised messiah.
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How many self righteous boomer Christians would enthusiastically send their children and grandchildren to go over to Israel and die for them fighting Muslims? There would be no more guaranteed path to heaven and glory based on your interpretation of the bible Willing to bet not one The 144,000 of Revelation is a fixed number, all Jews... John in Rev 7:9 saw another group, UN-countable (constantly changing) - Christians.
Deut 32 GOD tells them what is in store for 'Israel' ..... but verses 44-47 indicates the 'land promise' while 'forever' from GOD, was also conditional as far as Israel's part.
Ephesians 2 explains that there are NO MORE Jews and Gentiles, but that we are all one New Man, much like it was in and shortly after the Garden, either Children of God or children of men......... now it is either In Christ or not... suggest reading Rom 6,7,8....
This allegory is further explained in Galations 3: 15 through gal 4:31 and into chap 5 --- 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
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So to answer the OP - It seems NO!
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How many self righteous boomer Christians would enthusiastically send their children and grandchildren to go over to Israel and die for them fighting Muslims? There would be no more guaranteed path to heaven and glory based on your interpretation of the bible Willing to bet not one The 144,000 of Revelation is a fixed number, all Jews... John in Rev 7:9 saw another group, UN-countable (constantly changing) - Christians.
Deut 32 GOD tells them what is in store for 'Israel' ..... but verses 44-47 indicates the 'land promise' while 'forever' from GOD, was also conditional as far as Israel's part.
Ephesians 2 explains that there are NO MORE Jews and Gentiles, but that we are all one New Man, much like it was in and shortly after the Garden, either Children of God or children of men......... now it is either In Christ or not... suggest reading Rom 6,7,8....
This allegory is further explained in Galations 3: 15 through gal 4:31 and into chap 5 --- 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
IMHU
So to answer the OP - It seems NO! ?????
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Jesus never disowned the Jews John 8:42-47,...the Messiah spells it out in plain language who they are that choose not to follow him. It wasn't a choice. Jesus does not meet the description of the promised messiah. Yes he did. The Jews, however, developed their own parallel criteria pretending to be authoritative interpretations of Scripture, and then claimed he didn't fulfill those. Those, however, were not revelation, but rather the traditions of men which the Jewish scholars sought to substitute for revelation. Today, these traditions go under the name of Talmud.
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Does God forsake his people? Did Jesus not reportedly say that he had only come to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? ,.and the lost sheep followed Jesus. Those that didn't missed the bus. Basically, God sent the Messiah to show the correct path for Jews to follow. Those who followed the Messiah are the chosen. If you're a Christian, how can you possibly see it any other way? '' Only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel'' is the tricky part. Add to that, 'think not that I have come to abolish the laws of the prophets.......''
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Does God forsake his people? Did Jesus not reportedly say that he had only come to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? ,.and the lost sheep followed Jesus. Those that didn't missed the bus. Basically, God sent the Messiah to show the correct path for Jews to follow. Those who followed the Messiah are the chosen. If you're a Christian, how can you possibly see it any other way? '' Only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel'' is the tricky part. Add to that, 'think not that I have come to abolish the laws of the prophets.......'' He fulfilled them. On the cross he announced, "It is finished."
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Jesus never disowned the Jews John 8:42-47,...the Messiah spells it out in plain language who they are that choose not to follow him. It wasn't a choice. Jesus does not meet the description of the promised messiah. Yes he did. The Jews, however, developed their own parallel criteria pretending to be authoritative interpretations of Scripture, and then claimed he didn't fulfill those. Those, however, were not revelation, but rather the traditions of men which the Jewish scholars sought to substitute for revelation. Today, these traditions go under the name of Talmud. Jews refer to their own writing and the prophesy of the messiah as written in what Christianity calls the old testament. For instance; Overview: A major issue for Christian theologians is a certain prophecy of Jesus, a prophecy which, by an honest reading,results in the inescapable conclusion that the prophecy failed. While this is usually thrown under the rug, this is a major issue with Christianity. What is the Messianic Age Meant to Look Like? According to Jewish scripture, prior to the arrival of the Messiah, there will be a war and great suffering (Ezekiel 38:16), after which the Messiah will bring about a political and spiritual redemption by bringing all Jews back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12, Jeremiah 23:8 and 30:3, and Hosea 3:4-5). Then, the Messiah will set up a Torah government in Israel that will serve as the center of world government for all Jews and non-Jews (Isaiah 2:2-4, 11:10, and 42:1). The Holy Temple will be rebuilt and the Temple service will begin again (Jeremiah 33:18). Lastly, the religious court system of Israel will be rekindled and the Torah will be the only and final law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15). Furthermore, the messianic age will be marked by the peaceful coexistence by all people devoid of hatred, intolerance, and war — Jewish or not (Isaiah 2:4). All people will recognize YHWH as the one true God and the Torah as the one true way of life, and jealousy, murder, and robbery will disappear. Likewise, according to Judaism, the true Messiah must Be an observant Jewish man descended from King David Be an ordinary human being (as opposed to the progeny of God) Furthermore, in Judaism, revelation happens on a national scale, not on a personal scale like with the Christian narrative of Jesus. Christian attempts to use verses from the Torah to validate Jesus as the Messiah are, without exception, the result of mistranslations. Because Jesus neither met these requirements nor did the messianic age arrive, the Jewish view is that Jesus was merely a man, not the Messiah. https://www.learnreligions.com/jewish-view-of-jesus-2076763
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The corrupt Jewish authorities could not be relied upon to correctly interpret scripture in this regard. They were motivated by the desire to preserve their own power over Judea and its people, and considered the Messiah to be a challenge to same.
Speaking to the Jews: "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the Scripture; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life ... There is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
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It's not a matter of interpretation. What is written gives a clear picture of the role and purpose of the prophesied messiah.
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It's not a matter of interpretation. What is written gives a clear picture of the role and purpose of the prophesied messiah. Says you. Everything you wrote is interpretation.
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Joshua also indicated that it was conditional.............
Joshua 32: 14 “Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the Lord your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have [i]been fulfilled for you, not [j]one of them has failed. 15 It shall come about that just as all the good words which the Lord your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the Lord will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God has given you. 16 When you transgress the covenant of the Lord your God, which He commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them, then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you will perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.” Not much interpretation needed here, I think...........
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My bad muffin. Meant to include op antlers first post All good....
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