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Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle MIKEWERNER #18385179 04/30/23
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER They should have never let him out of the asylum..... Half of Colorado resides there. The other half are adjusting lamps in their basement. Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by LBP I’ve never killed an elk, but there seems like plenty of guys that kill them with 243’s. I know of a guy in Colorado that grew up with a 243 and used it on Elk apparently not aware it could not kill them. You know nothing of this man and his capabilities absolutely nothing.

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Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Oldelkhunter #18385483 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	In my rather modest career, been told I know nothing a few times. Informers were either recent college graduates or 8th grade educated factory employees. Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter You know nothing........ "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle MIKEWERNER #18385520 04/30/23
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BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER In my rather modest career, been told I know nothing a few times. Informers were either recent college graduates or 8th grade educated factory employees. Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter You know nothing........ The only thing you shoot is your mouth. One of the guys I hunt elk with has shot over 50 elk with a .243 and 100 grain partitions. I've shot several with either a .243 or 6mm with 90 grain accubonds, 95 grain ballistic tips or 100 grain partitions myself. Elk aren't hard to kill except in fantasyland or if you're a pretend elk hunter from Iowa. Last edited by BuzzH; 04/30/23.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle BuzzH #18385529 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	See.......more 8th-grade-educated input.........even after 5 years of early retirement. Originally Posted by BuzzH Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER In my rather modest career, been told I know nothing a few times. Informers were either recent college graduates or 8th grade educated factory employees. Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter You know nothing........ The only thing you shoot is your mouth. One of the guys I hunt elk with has shot over 50 elk with a .243 and 100 grain partitions. I've shot several with either a .243 or 6mm with 90 grain accubonds, 95 grain ballistic tips or 100 grain partitions myself. Elk aren't hard to kill except in fantasyland or if you're a pretend elk hunter from Iowa. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385538 04/30/23
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming B BuzzH Campfire Tracker
BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	My youngest nephew killed his first elk with my late grandfather's .243 with a 100 grain old style nosler solid base and 42 grains of imr 4350. One shot 368 yards...

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Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385545 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	Buzz........if the pics drop your estrogen levels.......we're all for it. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle MIKEWERNER #18385569 04/30/23
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming B BuzzH Campfire Tracker
BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER See.......more 8th-grade-educated input.........even after 5 years of early retirement. Originally Posted by BuzzH Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER In my rather modest career, been told I know nothing a few times. Informers were either recent college graduates or 8th grade educated factory employees. Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter You know nothing........ The only thing you shoot is your mouth. One of the guys I hunt elk with has shot over 50 elk with a .243 and 100 grain partitions. I've shot several with either a .243 or 6mm with 90 grain accubonds, 95 grain ballistic tips or 100 grain partitions myself. Elk aren't hard to kill except in fantasyland or if you're a pretend elk hunter from Iowa. My friend that's killed 50+ elk has a PhD in electrical engineering and a masters in wildlife management. My other 3 guys I hunt with are an eye doctor who passed away a few years back, he killed piles of elk with his 25/06. Another of my camp had a PhD in nuclear physics and was an instructor at Madison WI. I hunted with him last year and he's fighting cancer, he shot a 7 RM. The other friend I hunt with has a masters in electrical engineering as well. I'm the least educated in that camp with a bachelor's in resource management. Our camp are elk killers...

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385580 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	Buzz.......it's never fair when you're included in the pics. Makes the elk look bigger. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385584 04/30/23
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WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,784 Wyoming	One of our ranchers used to kill elk with a .222. Molon Labe

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385602 04/30/23
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BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	Take out your notebook mikeweiner... From left PhD in nuclear physics, PhD electrical engineering/masters wildlife, masters in electrical engineering, bachelor's computer science, and the guy behind the camera is me with my lowly bachelor's. Combined in that picture, including the photographer, we've shot close to 300 elk. Top it... 🤡

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Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385621 04/30/23
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BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	They have no trouble getting elk killed...with .243's, 25/06, 7 RM...whatever. Last edited by BuzzH; 04/30/23.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385633 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	Wow.....many geniuses, BuzzH. Mathman is a genius too. When he finally convinces his students to call him 'Professor'........they move them on to the third grade. Never a fan of six-sigma.........but have you even corresponded with an elk hunter that had 3 errors per million touches, over a 3 year period? You are special, Buzz. Testosterone supplements may be warranted. Last thing we need is a Ruth BuzzH. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle BuzzH #18385637 04/30/23
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by BuzzH They have no trouble getting elk killed...with .243's, 25/06, 7 RM...whatever. Buzz ignore his posts or put him on ignore. He has some issues.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385658 04/30/23
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BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	Your insecurities are duly noted mikeweiner...got the 50 BMG all ready to hunt cows in 7? You know, those cow elk are nearly armor plated up there.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Oldelkhunter #18385671 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	Is that the typical Biden-supporter response? Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Buzz ignore his posts or put him on ignore. He has some issues. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle BuzzH #18385720 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	Great choice of words.......stay away from "short" comings. Biden 2024.......right, Buzz? Actually, currently tinkering on a .338 721 converted to left hand, by Guise. But, we'll spare you the technical stuff. Originally Posted by BuzzH Your insecurities are duly noted mikeweiner...got the 50 BMG all ready to hunt cows in 7? You know, those cow elk are nearly armor plated up there. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle MIKEWERNER #18385756 04/30/23
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BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER Great choice of words.......stay away from "short" comings. Biden 2024.......right, Buzz? Actually, currently tinkering on a .338 721 converted to left hand, by Guise. But, we'll spare you the technical stuff. Originally Posted by BuzzH Your insecurities are duly noted mikeweiner...got the 50 BMG all ready to hunt cows in 7? You know, those cow elk are nearly armor plated up there. Hey dummy...Remington manufactured left handed actions. Last edited by BuzzH; 04/30/23.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385820 04/30/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,427 IOWA, USA	Buzz, Buzz, Buzz.......we have a couple left hand rifles. Rest assured, little guy. The Guise left hand 721 conversion was bought for a song at a gun shop in Mountain Home, ID. My oldest son (of 5 sons) lives there. Had a cheesy 60's stock with the flared pistol grip......a peep sight......side mount with a stith 4x post. LH bolt, right hand ejection port. Converted LH safety. Took the port chunk from the right side of the synthetic stock and pinned/expoxied to the left side. Do you understand so far? My third LH .338, but who is counting? Ain't no tanger safety 77, but we trying. 2 of 5 sons are southpaws.....and all 5 are Trump supporters. Before the experts chime in....we know all about being exposed to gases with the right hand ejection port. Handloader since 1979.......Ill make it do whatever I want. "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle Jim_Knight #18385909 04/30/23
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Rossimp Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 1,360 KC	The easy elk chamber/cartridge for low recoil yet offering substantial horsepower out to 400 yards is a 308 WCF, 20”-22” barrel using 150 grain TTSX loadings dialed back to 2750 fps or so.

Re: Old Shoulder Friendly Elk Rifle MIKEWERNER #18385931 04/30/23
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming B BuzzH Campfire Tracker
BuzzH Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,910 Wyoming	Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER Buzz, Buzz, Buzz.......we have a couple left hand rifles. Rest assured, little guy. The Guise left hand 721 conversion was bought for a song at a gun shop in Mountain Home, ID. My oldest son (of 5 sons) lives there. Had a cheesy 60's stock with the flared pistol grip......a peep sight......side mount with a stith 4x post. LH bolt, right hand ejection port. Converted LH safety. Took the port chunk from the right side of the synthetic stock and pinned/expoxied to the left side. Do you understand so far? My third LH .338, but who is counting? Ain't no tanger safety 77, but we trying. 2 of 5 sons are southpaws.....and all 5 are Trump supporters. Before the experts chime in....we know all about being exposed to gases with the right hand ejection port. Handloader since 1979.......Ill make it do whatever I want. Sounds like a real piece of s hit... probably matches the tires on your roof and the weed patch out back. If you decide to sell sounds like something scrapnel would buy from you at the next Prairie dog hunt... Last edited by BuzzH; 04/30/23.

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