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It's true that there's tension between Russia and Poland. But anyone who thinks that Poland and Ukraine are big buddies is very mistaken. My opinion, Poland is only involved because they plan on taking a piece of Ukraine when it all boils down and Ukraine is divided up. The borders which divide up the European countries have been fluid forever,...most recently in Yugoslavia.

Anyway,....dead people in Poland, courtesy of Ukraine,..and not all that long ago.

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The Russian Federation has the same expansion designs they have had for centuries.

Current political and military comments coming from Russia are vehemently anti Polish. Same can be said about the Baltic states. They all hate the current Russian Federation as much as they hated the communist rule. The Russian Federation has the same expansion designs they have had for centuries.

Russian history would show them to be a large nation mostly isolationist and subject to designs on their territory by the Western European powers. So naturally after their experience with Napoleon and WW1 and WW2 they desired to set up buffer states under their control. Hence the Warsaw pact. And their crash program to develop nuclear weapons and their financing of proxy wars to keep the west broke and busy.

We played a big part in keeping the world in turmoil.

Russian history would show them to be a large nation mostly isolationist and subject to designs on their territory by the Western European powers. So naturally after their experience with Napoleon and WW1 and WW2 they desired to set up buffer states under their control. Hence the Warsaw pact. And their crash program to develop nuclear weapons and their financing of proxy wars to keep the west broke and busy.

We played a big part in keeping the world in turmoil.

Russia was only our "friend" when they were fighting the Nazis during 1941 thru 1945. It was mutually beneficial, we provided food, fuel, ammo, and weapons for them to stay in the fight and they bled the Nazis. The Russians appreciated our help so much that they spent time/money to repackage American lend/lease food so that the people would think that the food was still in domestic production. Even in a time of great crisis they wouldn't acknowledge that they were receiving American and British support to fight Hitler. Winston Churchill wasn't perfect, but he was spot on in his assessment of how far the western allies could trust the USSR.

Winston Churchill wasn't perfect, but he was spot on in his assessment of how far the western allies could trust the USSR.

Here are some thoughts from an East European that has faced the Russian :

By the time the USA purchased Alaska from Russia, we in Poland had solid 400 years of experience with Moscow.

They have never evolved past certain stage of government model as a country and continue to represent basically the same values despite tsardom, its collapse, communist revolution and its collapse and of course in the post Soviet era.

That's why when many here were preaching Russia to be your ally 10-15 years ago I was just shaking my head. Everyone has his own opinion and it's fine. That's healthy and should be actually encouraged.

However it is hard to ignore that there are patterns of behavior indicating something completely else. Something that the Poles experienced and identified long, long time ago.

To help you to identify that behavior, one needs to ask himself only a single and very simple question:
- why the individual or the individuals would display the consistent pattern of support (under many excuses) for my enemy's cause?

Here are some thoughts from an East European that has faced the Russian :

By the time the USA purchased Alaska from Russia, we in Poland had solid 400 years of experience with Moscow.

They have never evolved past certain stage of government model as a country and continue to represent basically the same values despite tsardom, its collapse, communist revolution and its collapse and of course in the post Soviet era.

That's why when many here were preaching Russia to be your ally 10-15 years ago I was just shaking my head. Everyone has his own opinion and it's fine. That's healthy and should be actually encouraged.

However it is hard to ignore that there are patterns of behavior indicating something completely else. Something that the Poles experienced and identified long, long time ago.

To help you to identify that behavior, one needs to ask himself only a single and very simple question:
- why the individual or the individuals would display the consistent pattern of support (under many excuses) for my enemy's cause?

When we purchased Alaska from Russia, Poland didn’t exist.

When we purchased Alaska from Russia, Poland didn’t exist.

You listed 63 wars we've involved ourselves in. I get the idea you approve. Not what I would expect from a Libertarian.

That list is why our debt is eating us alive. We haven't paid for WW1 which we had no business in. We are 30+ TRILLION down now.

I'm anti-war period, end of story unless our 49 states on the NA continent are being actually threatened which by the way Mexico is actually allowing now

It makes me sick to think of us throwing away our huge inheritance over what goes on in shi tty countries posing no threat to us. In case you haven't considered it we have the resources right here to sustain our needs. And if we were wealthy (which now we are not) the rest of the world would gladly bring us what we need.

We are not an Island nation such as Japan or the British. We cannot be blockaded and starved. It makes me sick to think how for a fraction of what we've spent we could have fortified our nation, stabilized our coastlines, watered the arid west, secured our border, put all our people to doing meaningful work instead of the cheaper (in the short term) of herding the lower classes into the black, white, and hispanic ghettoes.

Instead we have involved unnecessarily ourselves in first the Spanish/American war, WW1, WW2, and your 63 listed wars.

I know you would like to feel like whatever part you played was meaningful and worthwhile but now we are on the verge of disaster of our own making.

It's more correct to refer to Russia's ambitions as "influence expansion". And the U.S.A. has handed that to Russia in spades. There's a New World Order being built as a result of the actions of the crazies who control the U.S. government. The U.S.A. won't be included in it.

Russian history would show them to be a large nation mostly isolationist and subject to designs on their territory by the Western European powers. So naturally after their experience with Napoleon and WW1 and WW2 they desired to set up buffer states under their control. Hence the Warsaw pact. And their crash program to develop nuclear weapons and their financing of proxy wars to keep the west broke and busy.

A pattern of behavior is making itself known in the U.S.A., also. It's interesting to see a large part of the world uniting to protect itself from the type of decadence that has developed in the U.S.A.