|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,317
Campfire Tracker
|
OP
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,317 |
I am booked for a Texas hog hunt for next spring. I am toying with using my 358 Winchester and 244grain flat point cast bullets. I heat treat my bullets for my rifles so they are pretty hard but with the flat point I thought they’d still be effective. I’m thinking of using the high shoulder placement. Whatcha all think?
Rolly
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 8,196 Likes: 4
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 8,196 Likes: 4 |
I’ve never killed them with anything smaller out of a rifle than a 25gr Hornady out of a 17 or anything bigger than a 405gr out of a hotrod 45/70. The vast majority of the slightly less than 400 head I’ve killed in the last 6 years have fell to the 223.
If you can’t kill them with your setup you have issues aside from bullets. I’ve killed dozens of them with cast bullets made of clip on WW driven to pedestrian velocities out of revolvers and pistols. Hit them in the front half and everything will work out fine.
For dropping them on the spot just shoot them in the center vertically somewhere between the shoulder and the ear. They squeal and paddle in place for about 5 seconds before they quiet down for good.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,172 Likes: 14
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,172 Likes: 14 |
Over thinking not required. WW alloy and target 2,000 fps +-, no heat treating. My .30-30 shoots that just dandy at around 2,100 fps. Ker-splat!
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,476 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,476 Likes: 6 |
I agree with the other two gentlemen. I would add that powdercoating them reduces the chances of leading and I have found softer alloys can be pushed slightly faster than wax lubed bullets. I have 100+ lbs of cast 35cal bullets and would be happy to send you some that have been coated to test in your rifle. Do you cast your own bullets?
Medics bury their mistakes..
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,317
Campfire Tracker
|
OP
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,317 |
Yes I cast my own bullets and have for years. I am 76 years old and not now going to expand my casting game into powder coated bullets because of the irritability of learning a new game. I do thank you heartily for the offer of some powder coated bullets to try, though. Again, many thanks.
Rolly
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 23,114 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 23,114 Likes: 2 |
No need to heat treat your bullets. In fact if it were me, I would shoot them soft so's they expand when they smack into muscle. Never shot a hog, but have shot plenty of deer with naked lead and the only times, early on, when I had a goat rope after the shot was when I had used hard/heat treated bullets. Lesson learned the hard way, for a hard headed young snot.
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 431
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 431 |
Taking a high shoulder shot is a good idea, especially if the bullet is hard. While ultimately fatal, with behind the shoulder shots, game can run off.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,922
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,922 |
a 22lr lead bullet will kill any hog if you put it in the right spot. I don't think a 35 cal. will bounce off
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,878 Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,878 Likes: 3 |
Hogs are like Elk, you need a BIG GUN to kill them. Rio7
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 848 Likes: 3
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 848 Likes: 3 |
In FL we have some fair size hogs. I usually take along my 358s with 200 RCBS FN real hard cast plain base double powder coated running 2,400 fps. I prefer the AR-15 for hogs, with 10 round mags. The 15 is light, fast and in the 358 MGP, a necked up 6.8 SPC, is a hog stomper.
Hog is similar to a dog, in that they have a slow nervous system, depends on how you find them, jacked up, they can be hard to kill, not knowing you are there, not so difficult. Good Luck.
“To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is best to plan for all eventualities then believe in success, and only cross the failure bridge if you come to it." Francis Marion - The Swamp Fox
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 848 Likes: 3
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 848 Likes: 3 |
These are two of my hog loads for ARs. Left is a 358 MGP, neckd up 6.8 SPC, with a 200 gr RCBS plain base (discontinued mould) powder coared 2,487 at .3 inches @ 100. Right is the 230 gr Lee plain base powder coated in a 300 BO subsonic, 990 fps at .5" @ 50. Also have a 6.5 Grendel AR, full function with 160s at 900 fps .5" at 50. Both with cans. Grand kids wear out my stock of 300 cast BO rounds.
“To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is best to plan for all eventualities then believe in success, and only cross the failure bridge if you come to it." Francis Marion - The Swamp Fox
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,636
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,636 |
In FL we have some fair size hogs. I usually take along my 358s with 200 RCBS FN real hard cast plain base double powder coated running 2,400 fps. I prefer the AR-15 for hogs, with 10 round mags. The 15 is light, fast and in the 358 MGP, a necked up 6.8 SPC, is a hog stomper.
Hog is similar to a dog, in that they have a slow nervous system, depends on how you find them, jacked up, they can be hard to kill, not knowing you are there, not so difficult. Good Luck. Great combo there. I've used them 200 GR. RCBS out of any of the 4 rifles I have in 35 Remington at around 2200 plus fps and it works great.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,353
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,353 |
if you are looking for an RCBS plain base bullet mold I recommend you look at NOE's website. my bullet of choice is a 35 whelen with 200gr RCBS at 2500 fps.
Whatever you are willing to put up with, is exactly what you will have.
When your ship comes in. ... make sure you are willing to unload it.
PAYPAL, sucks and I will never use them again. I recommend you do the same.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 10,029 Likes: 3
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 10,029 Likes: 3 |
I've got the lee 200g .358 flat nose mold and a big bag of gas checks for them. I'm going to try to cast some around a 15-18 bhn and then I'll powder coat then seat the checks with a lee push through sizer. I plan to try them in my 358 blr first but I've nit slugged it so I'm thinking of sizing .359 first and see how they shoot. I may also size some to .356 and try them in my 350 legend.
That 6.8 necked up to .358 is really impressive getting 2400 with a 200g. I'm hoping to get about 2000 with my 350 legend.
Bb
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 848 Likes: 3
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 848 Likes: 3 |
I am pretty sure the that Lee 200 is like many others, a copy of the RCBS, which according to Veral, he designed, if not directly, by his descriptions. It is a great design for accuracy at 357-8. Not sure how sizing them down for a 355 is going to work.
The 38 Super is actually a 355, as is the 357 Sig, so moulds for it might be adopted to work. I shot 160s in my 9mm Major gun, they were for the 38 Super.
I just got a 357 Sig barrel for my Glock, so.....I will probably get around to that.
“To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is best to plan for all eventualities then believe in success, and only cross the failure bridge if you come to it." Francis Marion - The Swamp Fox
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 151,833 Likes: 20
Campfire Savant
|
Campfire Savant
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 151,833 Likes: 20 |
You will be fine, have killed them with sub sonic loads. No harder to kill than a deer
Last edited by hanco; 07/21/23.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 13,469 Likes: 3
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 13,469 Likes: 3 |
I've got the lee 200g .358 flat nose mold and a big bag of gas checks for them. I'm going to try to cast some around a 15-18 bhn and then I'll powder coat then seat the checks with a lee push through sizer. I plan to try them in my 358 blr first but I've nit slugged it so I'm thinking of sizing .359 first and see how they shoot. I may also size some to .356 and try them in my 350 legend.
That 6.8 necked up to .358 is really impressive getting 2400 with a 200g. I'm hoping to get about 2000 with my 350 legend.
Bb I size that bullet to .356 no problem. 2000 fps is plenty.
Dog I rescued in January
|
|
|
|
588 members (10gaugemag, 160user, 10gaugeman, 1936M71, 10ring1, 12344mag, 64 invisible),
2,427
guests, and
1,155
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,857
Posts18,497,077
Members73,979
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|