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Speer 70 gr. seems to work well, however, I have never tried one . They seem like they would work good, almost a round nose and seem very reasonably priced. Abour 21 cents each.

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Most any bullet, is as lethal as the next, if you use proper placement, which is paramount using any round, but more important when using what some might say marginal rounds for a job.

Whatever bullet is used, in any round, should be placed to maximize it's design. Soft bullets work best on soft tissue like lungs, harder bullets do better on bone.

I have faves, but I have used 'marginal bullets' - IN marginal rounds, with deadly effect on whitetails. One example, a 70 TNT in a 243, and also in 6mmBR. NOT my chosen HUNTING bullet for game, but in those situations it was what the rifle was sighted in for, so I used accordingly. The 243 nearly decapitated a WT at 50 paces........and a 6BR using said bullet destroyed both lungs at about 200 yds......so yes one was DRT and the other went 60 yds......Both DEAD.

Any 'hunting bullet' made for 223s, avoiding varmint and target bullets, should work fine - when using good placement. I would not sweat bullet choice, but instead be very sure of proper placement which is rather easy to say 250 yds and under in any decent rifle, with good trigger and sights. Lungs on longer shots, MAYBE neck and even head shots on close shots, but not on any trophy deer where you risk messing up a mount, or a last second move causing a wound or miss.........so for ME, I would save neck/head shots for Doe's.

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Anyone use the Speer 70 gr.? They are pretty cheap and you can get them.


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two of my rifles shoot the gold dots better then the bear claws.

have since upgraded the 223 to 6br. same results with eld-m at 2800fps launch. 0-550 and hooves go up real fast. it's just a more legal one gun option that sodak and wyoming require for elk

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70 grain Speer.
I have not shot anything but paper with them. But I get good accuracy in a cz527. The load is a max charge of 28.0 grains H380, LC brass , FGMM small rifle primers.

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If a 223 is good enough for the army to take out a man it should be fine on a deer!

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Originally Posted by Buck720
If a 223 is good enough for the army to take out a man it should be fine on a deer!

The 223 “works” for deer and in the right hands is an effective tool. But there is a difference between taking a human out of the fight and fire suppression by volume, and humanely killing an animal and finding it after the fact. I use a 223 to kill deer sometimes, but I’d never use a 55 grain FMJ to shoot a deer.

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Originally Posted by Gojoe
70 grain Speer.
I have not shot anything but paper with them. But I get good accuracy in a cz527. The load is a max charge of 28.0 grains H380, LC brass , FGMM small rifle primers.

70 grain Speer SMP is a fantastic deer bullet. Pigs too.

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Originally Posted by SuperCub
I've used 70gr Speer semi-spitzers with good luck.

I'm right there with ya on that choice... its always my first choice...

I think the Barnes X is probably better, than the 70 Speer, but I'm a traditionalist...

Don't give up on something that has worked for me and never ever failed to get the job done.


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Originally Posted by Gojoe
70 grain Speer.
I have not shot anything but paper with them. But I get good accuracy in a cz527. The load is a max charge of 28.0 grains H380, LC brass , FGMM small rifle primers.

I'm repeating myself, but this choice right here... with this powder and that charge also...

28 grains of H 380 and the 70 SMP Speer has never failed me... neither has the same powder and charge, using a 63 SMP Sierra either.


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In "fairness",Shefire is a Lying CLUELESS Piece Of Fhuqking Schit and is issued (1) Deer Tag per year. Though she hasn't filled same in years. Hint.

The .224" Speer 70grainer is fair to middlin' in a 223. I MUCH prefer the Hornie 75 HPBT,as it digs deep and upsets nicely. They do good thangs even at 3500fps+. Hint.

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The TBBC bullet continues to work out of the .223. My brother shot this nice sow on the lease today. Approximately 90 yards behind left shoulder and out the right shoulder. Dropped where she stood.

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i have been killin deer with a 223,22-250,220 swift, since the 1970s back in the 50s-80s my dad killed a bunch with a 22 hornet. this was all back before the armchair gun writers said it was a sin to use a 22 cal. for years my bullet was a speer semi point 70gr. it worked well. then at the end of the 70s i found out Hornady's 60gr. flat base HP had a thick jacket and they had engineered it for deer! so i started using them, and i ain't looked back. but being an experimenter i am always looking, in the 90s midway had a sale on Winchesters 64gr. PP-SP, i bought a couple of thousand or so. these bullets have a thick jacked and mushroom in deer like a picture! i still have a mess of them. they do not group like the tack driving Hornady 60gr. but they are plenty good enough. you probably won't find them anymore.


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i am not saying a 17 Remington is for deer. but over at my hunting lease i was overrun with does. my buddy has a 17 Remington on an AR platform. i wanted to try it out on a deer. in SC it is legal to hunt deer with any centerfire, so he brought it over. he shot this 100 LB doe with a Hornaday 25gr. hp. and a full charge of powder at a measured 100yds, she ran no more than 50yds. after the hit and was stone dead. it took out 3 ribs going in and made the lungs into fluid,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Linked Image from i.imgur.com][Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

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