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I know just like there should be crossbows legal for you to in Montana right Pete! How did that work out for you?
Gonna sue Wyoming to just like you threatened to sue Montana to get YOUR WAY!!!
What happened to that Rancher you claimed you had on your side, you can thank me later.

i see your feeling safe and a little keyboard cocky today. try to learn to be a little more positive with your post . but thanks for the thought

Crossbows are illegal in Montana?

Triangular ones that come to a point. No trespassing of air space. 10% discount on helicoptering out the elk.

Ted Turner put in high fences on his ranch in Montana that prevented deer, moose and elk migration out into public land.

BobMT are you ok with this?

Its legal to cross corners in Wyoming, how are you sticking your neck out?

Oh, and you're welcome.

And that was resolved while I worked there, 25 years ago and they weren't high fences. Stop lying, they were maybe a foot higher than a normal 5 strand barb wire fence.

Hasn't been an "issue" for 2.5 decades.

Next.

You can't step over a corner without a ladder, or get an elk across in your pack on quarters?

No reason for a ladder or helicopter.

Only reason the Missouri4 used a ladder was to make sure they didn't touch Iron Bar Holdings coveted Tposts and chains. Year before they swung around the Tposts and the summary judgement mentioned that was also not a violation.

Thanks to Buzz, he probably saved my life from falling off a corner ladder..... but he did crush my dreams of makin enough $ to buy the flying D selling my realtree camo corner crossing ladders... so yeah, I still don't like him!

Ok, that was funny, credit where its due.

No there not just in bow season, Petes been trying to stir up support for 2 years around the internet.
Has nothing to do with key board cocky just a simple fact Pete. You wanna sue every state to satisfy YOUR wants!

Bullschitt, you are a fugging idiot. And supposedly it is your job to know these things.

Do I need to take a picture of the many signs which say "NO vehicles allowed off of road"?

https://www.eenews.net/articles/four-hunters-a-ladder-and-a-fight-over-federal-land/

"The four Missouri hunters allegedly placed an A-frame ladder over a fence marked with “No Trespassing” signs, one leg on each side of a Bureau of Land Management parcel, and climbed from one side to the next to avoid two kitty-corner pieces of private land — a practice known colloquially as corner-crossing."

lying buzzy. and you're proud you worked for Turner? pos


what does Turner charge for elk hunts on. his ranch?


Turner's buffalo fences causing a stir at Robb Creek

By Perry Backus, of The Montana Standard.

ALDER -- No one will ever know for certain what killed the elk whose bones lay bleached on a ridge that separates a parcel of state land from the Robb Creek Wildlife Game Range.

But the sportsmen from Butte and Anaconda standing under a cloudless sky think they have a pretty good idea: They point to the twisted wire at both the top and bottom of the fence that cuts through the middle of the ridge. Their tapes measure the top wire at 60 inches. The bottom wire is less than a foot high.

"That's what killed it,'' said Jack Atcheson Sr. of Butte, nodding toward the fence. "It couldn't go over it or under it.''

On this day, the men say they counted 13 animal carcasses on the state lands' side of the fence within a mile of each other. The fact the elk and deer were just inches from property supported by sportsmen's dollars to provide winter feed makes their deaths even more unpalatable.

The fence was built to control bison from Ted Turner's Snowcrest Ranch in the Upper Ruby near Alder. It is part of miles of similar fence that surrounds the media mogul's massive ranch holdings in Montana.

Turner's general ranch manager, Russ Miller, says the fence is needed to keep bison from escaping.

"We have an obligation to control our live stock,'' says Miller. "Bison can jump. We've had numerous reports of them clearing six feet.''

Miller says the fence design is a product of "trial and error'' over a number of years that included consultation with both state and federal biologists in an effort to consider the needs of wildlife.

"We've always been as wildlife friendly as pos sible,'' he said. "We stand on our record on the different efforts we've made for wildlife ... there is no way we'd do anything that would harm wildlife intentionally.''

Turner isn't alone in building fences that might seem out of place in a state where the fourstrand barbed wire has become the standard. The Butte and Anaconda sportsmen worry about the potential for wildlife -- which is a public resource -- to become privatized if landowners built fences that trap animals on private lands.

"When there's no free movement of wildlife, what's in there becomes his,'' said Tony Schoonen of Ramsay. "It's no longer the public's.''

"We're not just talking about this one place,'' said Atcheson. "These kinds of fences have the potential to set a precedent that could apply to the whole state. If landowners can own the wildlife, their land is suddenly worth a whole lot more money.''

But for Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks' Fred King, whose job is to ensure that wildlife and sportsmen will be able to continue to use state-owned game ranges like Robb Creek, the task is more immediate.

The Robb Creek Game Range, which was acquired following a land exchange with Turner, has acres that border lands being grazed by Turner's bison. And as important as it is that wildlife can find its way onto the winter range, King also has to come up with a plan that will keep bison off of it.

"What we have here is a New Age landown er with a new grazing animal, the bison, that need a different kind of fence to make it stay put,'' said King. "The challenge we have is to find a fence that will both allow wildlife to move and keep the bison off the game range.''

"We are going to have to deal with this thing and we can't deal with it by simply saying no,'' he said.

Fences have a long and controversial history across the West. It wasn't many years after the first cattle arrived in the state to feed hun gry miners that fences began to appear. And laws soon followed about what could be fenced and how it could be done.

Sportsmen like Atcheson and Schoonen say the state isn't living up to its responsibilities in upholding those laws. The state, particularly the Montana Department of Natural Resources and Conservation, doesn't go far enough in considering the ramifications of "bison-proof'' fences, they say.

In particular, they point to Montana law which requires a fence to measure not less than 44 inches or more than 48 inches high and not less than 15 inches or more than 18 inches from the ground. They say that Turner and other bison ranchers' fences don't meet those requirements.

Dave Mousel, a DNRC land management supervisor, said that agency did an environmental analysis before giving Turner Enterprises the green light to build the fences on state lands.

"We do our best to try to balance the needs of the permittee and other resources,'' Mousel said.

The state required Turner to build gates that were intended to be open after each grazing season, he said. In other areas, the top wire was to be slackened to allow better opportunities for wildlife to jump the fences, said Mousel.

As far as the height standards stated in state law, Mousel said he understood those to be minimum requirements.

In the years that Turner has owned the Snowcrest Ranch, ranch manager Russ Miller said miles of old woven fence used to control sheep have been cleaned up. Those have been replaced by high-tensile smooth wire, which Miller says is more wildlife friendly.


"It's going to be sportsmen that will have to keep watch,'' said Atcheson, said looking back at the fence. "This is just ridiculous ... to have this kind of fence right up against a game range.''
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Haha, bless your heart. It is up to the appellate court, not you, to determine what Skavdahl got right. You might want to have your lawyer friends Google de novo review, since it appears that’s where this, as an obvious question of law, is headed.

When do you want your lesson for the day?

Frustrating when that happens.

lol burned again. good one



Lloyd Hettick apparently never went to law school even though he pretends to be a lawyer on here "cutting and pasting" BS from BHA attorneys

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