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Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
A quart every 3k isn't the worst thing. Old timers said burning a little oil just meant you were getting good lubrication.

My '06 1500 with a 5.3 would burn that 1 quart about every 1500 miles but would burn no more.

Seemed 5 quarts was just right and that 6th was too much. My current '08 Sierra burns none in 6k.


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Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
Okay, but did the 2.7 ever tow 12,000 lbs?

Throw some airbags under that 2.7, set a 9 foot over head camper on top of it, and tell us how it handles the air resistance at 80 mph on the freeway. Then hook an 8000 lb boat on behind, and tell us how she pulls the hills.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
Okay, but did the 2.7 ever tow 12,000 lbs?

Throw some airbags under that 2.7, set a 9 foot over head camper on top of it, and tell us how it handles the air resistance at 80 mph on the freeway. Then hook an 8000 lb boat on behind, and tell us how she pulls the hills.
Anybody pulling 12k with a half ton is an idiot.


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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
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Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
Okay, but did the 2.7 ever tow 12,000 lbs?

Throw some airbags under that 2.7, set a 9 foot over head camper on top of it, and tell us how it handles the air resistance at 80 mph on the freeway. Then hook an 8000 lb boat on behind, and tell us how she pulls the hills.
Anybody pulling 12k with a half ton is an idiot.


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The 2.7 requires High Octane fuel. The 5.3 recommended to use regular. So any potential MPG improvement is burned up by the more expensive fuel.

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
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Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
Okay, but did the 2.7 ever tow 12,000 lbs?

Throw some airbags under that 2.7, set a 9 foot over head camper on top of it, and tell us how it handles the air resistance at 80 mph on the freeway. Then hook an 8000 lb boat on behind, and tell us how she pulls the hills.
Anybody pulling 12k with a half ton is an idiot.


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The point was made that the 2.7 would pull with or better than the V8. I contend that it will not.

I will be VERY surprised to see any of them hit 300,000 miles if they routinely have anything hitched to the rear bumper.

There is a Dodge 5.7 in the garage with over 250K that runs as well today as the day it left the factory. The engine has never been touched. I did boost the pressures on the tranny.

The 2.7 is a great engine in a Toyota, Nissan, or Mitsubishi mini truck.


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My cousin has sold gm for years and is a huge fan. He doesn't like the 2.7 and says real world it's no more efficient than the 5.3. He said gm is really pushing the 2.7 for some reason. He's actually most positive about the small diesel. Problem with the diesel is getting one.

I really think it's this esg movement stopping us from getting what we actually want. My F150 hybrid has a ton of power but only gets about 19 mpg tops when it was rated at 24mpg. It's way more powerful than the gm 5.3s or ram 5.7 hemis I've had in the past. It's very easy to speed in. It has a twin turbo 3.5 v6 but also has an electric motor that assists. It's 430 horse and 579 pounds torque in a half ton. It's rated to tow 11,000 but I'd never attempt that with a half ton. About the most I'd tow with it is 8,000 max.

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Daughter has had a 2.7 turbo Ford F150 full size pick up for last few years Has a heck of a lot more power than my old standard V-6 3.7 did. I mean a LOT more.

Would pick it to haul my camper any day over my old 3.7.

I now inherited my Dad's Eco boost 3.5 and boy howdy.....a big change from my last two pickups.

I love power and don't want to change but if looking new a 2.7 would suit me fine and YES I am surprised.

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
Okay, but did the 2.7 ever tow 12,000 lbs?

Throw some airbags under that 2.7, set a 9 foot over head camper on top of it, and tell us how it handles the air resistance at 80 mph on the freeway. Then hook an 8000 lb boat on behind, and tell us how she pulls the hills.
Anybody pulling 12k with a half ton is an idiot.


LOL.....It would flat blow your mind to know what and where we towed with an '84 K5 Blazer.


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I did a ride and drive comparison at a GM event when the new 2.7L came out. It was redesigned for 2022. Compared 2.7L to 5.3L towing enclosed trailers with 6700 LBS. Both trucks very similar. 2.7L has a bit more grunt low end. Towing acceleration is near identicle. Only major difference I noticed is the lower front end weight of the 2.7L which made the truck feel less planted in corners.

GM states this is one of two engines that have never failed during their 1 million mile durability test where engines are ran low on oil, low on coolant, extreme heat, cold etc. something to be said.

I think it is a solid engine but I understand the preference for a V8. GM is pushing this motor because it enables them to build more Tahoe Suburban and HD trucks under the CAFE standards.

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Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The 2.7 requires High Octane fuel. The 5.3 recommended to use regular. So any potential MPG improvement is burned up by the more expensive fuel.

So this^^^ Plus replacing the turbos[we know they'll fail before the engine] really adds up to GREAT savings all the way around for the consumer.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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Originally Posted by moosemike
A lot of people here have no idea but they feel the need to post anyway. I traded a 2011 Silverado 5.3 in on a 2020 Silverado 2.7. The 2.7 had more guts. It was a faster truck and towed as well or better. Problem was my 2.7 always used a quart of oil every 3,000 miles so I recently traded it in on the 2.7 F-150 which is my most powerful truck yet
Okay, but did the 2.7 ever tow 12,000 lbs?

Throw some airbags under that 2.7, set a 9 foot over head camper on top of it, and tell us how it handles the air resistance at 80 mph on the freeway. Then hook an 8000 lb boat on behind, and tell us how she pulls the hills.
Anybody pulling 12k with a half ton is an idiot.


LOL.....It would flat blow your mind to know what and where we towed with an '84 K5 Blazer.
Doubt it. Been there and seen it and done it.

Doesn't mean it is/was smart.

Probably and old dog 305 or 350 that if factory wasn't squeaking 200hp.

Same thing step dad used to do with an 83 or so GMC 1500 4wd. Usually had an early '80s Bobcat hooked to it.

Pulling isn't so much of the problem as getting stopped quick, fast and in a hurry.


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I see a bunch of guys around here, mostly firewood cutters, with 1/2T American vehicles (and even the odd Tacoma, or T-100), with hog wire panels or wood sides on the bed, hauling way over the 1/2 ton the vehicle was designed for. Same goes for seeing some of the scheidt folks tow with vehicles rated for a lot less than the load they're pulling.

When one sees them with the ass end sagging, springs on the bumpers underneath (assuming they're still there) , headlights pointing to the tree tops, trailers swaying as they go down the road, one gets the meaning of the old saying.....................


Just because one can do it.....................doesn't mean one should.


For true 1/2T duty modern 2.7L should do fine, especially given the HP and torque ratings of engines in the past. The old Chevy 235/250 inline sixes worked great, with the right gears, in trucks back in the day and they had less HP than my '01 Tacoma. Not to mention changing plugs every 15K miles, points, condensors, etc. And I never saw one last 250K + miles without having the head come off for a valve job.

I'm not sure about the new Chevy being a turbo, as that adds a whole 'nother can of worms to open. But if people don't use it as a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, it will probably serve well. Reliability is an unknown for a few years


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Actually I had transplanted a '71 9.5/1 compression 350, with a Blue Racer cam rated from 500 to 3200 RPM in ahead of the four speed manual. But it had 2.72 gear sets, so it spent a lot of time in low range with the hubs unlocked. Shift points were about 2200 RPM and it was hell on U-joints.


And yes, you made sure to keep lots of room between you and anything you needed to stop for.


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Geno, not even the factory claims a 1/2 ton is limited to 1000 lbs.
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Short bed crew cab with 4WD 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 engine: 2,060 pounds, 2,170 pounds with trailering package. Standard bed double cab with 2WD 2.7L turbo engine: 2,202 pounds.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Geno, not even the factory claims a 1/2 ton is limited to 1000 lbs.
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How much weight can a Chevy 1500 put in the bed?

Short bed crew cab with 4WD 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 engine: 2,060 pounds, 2,170 pounds with trailering package. Standard bed double cab with 2WD 2.7L turbo engine: 2,202 pounds.
Then we are no longer discussing a 1/2 ton truck by definition, eh?


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Geno, not even the factory claims a 1/2 ton is limited to 1000 lbs.
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How much weight can a Chevy 1500 put in the bed?

Short bed crew cab with 4WD 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 engine: 2,060 pounds, 2,170 pounds with trailering package. Standard bed double cab with 2WD 2.7L turbo engine: 2,202 pounds.
Then we are no longer discussing a 1/2 ton truck by definition, eh?
I suppose you could take that up with the manufacturers.


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Heck, my 82 Toyota Long bed had 3/4T stenciled on the tail gate. I am not sure that designation was appropriate either. I think it had one more leaf in the rear spring pack than normal.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Actually I had transplanted a '71 9.5/1 compression 350, with a Blue Racer cam rated from 500 to 3200 RPM in ahead of the four speed manual. But it had 2.72 gear sets, so it spent a lot of time in low range with the hubs unlocked. Shift points were about 2200 RPM and it was hell on U-joints.


And yes, you made sure to keep lots of room between you and anything you needed to stop for.

I would almost bet it was still less than 250 hp, if more good on you.

I had a "built" 350 in a 74 Blazer. Header, Edelbrock intake, tuned Quadrajet and a factory replacement cam for a 300hp 327 which I believe was an L74/75 designation. 33x12.5 Super Swampers and 3.73 gears. A real dog compared to today's engines.

Step dad had a 79 Blazer with those taller 2.73, ran it in the low side alot just running around town. Did surprisingly well on gas when in the high side out on the highway.

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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Heck, my 82 Toyota Long bed had 3/4T stenciled on the tail gate. I am not sure that designation was appropriate either. I think it had one more leaf in the rear spring pack than normal.


That, and the writing on the back, made it so! laugh


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