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Originally Posted by tdoyka
LOL! Putin has about an 85% approval rating.


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Yeah, and dementia Joe's real approval rating is single digits

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Good news for the nazi sympathizers here.........


Journalists Are Asking Ukrainian Soldiers To Hide Their Nazi Patches, NYT Admits

by Tyler Durden
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2023 - 06:30 AM

The New York Times has been forced to very, very belatedly deal with something which had long been obvious and known to many independent analysts and media outlets, but which has been carefully shielded from the mainstream masses in the West for obvious reasons.

The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History." This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem. This has been exhaustively documented, again, going back years. But the report, which merely tries to downplay it as a "thorny issue" of Ukraine's "unique" "History" - suggests that the real problem for Western PR is fundamentally that it's being displayed so openly. Ukrainian troops are being asked to cover those Nazi symbols please!--as Matt Taibbi sarcastically quipped in commenting on the report.
NBC News report in 2014: "Germans were confronted with images of their country’s dark past on Monday night, when German public broadcaster ZDF showed video of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets in its evening newscast."

The authors of the NYT report begin by expressing frustration over the optics of Nazi symbols being displayed so proudly on many Ukrainian soldiers' uniforms. Suggesting that many journalistic photographs which have in some cases been featured in newspapers and media outlets worldwide (typically coupled with generally positive articles on Ukraine's military) are merely 'unfortunate' or misleading, the NYT report says, "In each photograph, Ukrainians in uniform wore patches featuring symbols that were made notorious by Nazi Germany and have since become part of the iconography of far-right hate groups."

The report admits this has led to controversy wherein news rooms actually must delete some photos of Ukrainian soldiers and militants. "The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military’s complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II," continues the report.

So it's merely "thorny" and "complicated" we are told. Below is a small sampling of the kinds of patches that appear on Ukrainian military uniforms with "some regularity" - in the words of The New York Times:

NATO itself has in the recent past been forced to delete images on its official social media accounts due to Nazi imagery being present among Ukrainian troops during photo shoots.

The following line from the report says everything you need to know about the so-called "paper of record" and its one-sided and ultra-simplistic coverage of what many are finally waking up to realize is a war with a deeply complex reality (to say the least), and far from the MSM's goodies vs. baddies Hollywoodesque narrative of Putler vs. the free world which is typical of networks from CNN to Fox to NBC...

From the NY Times:

"In November, during a meeting with Times reporters near the front line, a Ukrainian press officer wore a Totenkopf variation made by a company called R3ICH (pronounced “Reich”). He said he did not believe the patch was affiliated with the Nazis. A second press officer present said other journalists had asked soldiers to remove the patch before taking photographs."

Oops!

And now we might expect some significant efforts at damage control, or even perhaps we're witnessing the beginnings of evolving definitions and the moving of goalposts. More from NY Times [emphasis ZH]:

But some members of these groups have been fighting Russia since the Kremlin illegally annexed part of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014 and are now part of the broader military structure. Some are regarded as national heroes, even as the far-right remains marginalized politically.

The iconography of these groups, including a skull-and-crossbones patch worn by concentration camp guards and a symbol known as the Black Sun, now appears with some regularity on the uniforms of soldiers fighting on the front line, including soldiers who say the imagery symbolizes Ukrainian sovereignty and pride, not Nazism.

Some are writing more appropriate and apt headlines for the NYT story...

Only very recently Ukraine's Defense Ministry and even President Zelensky's office was caught in the act:

In April, Ukraine’s Defense Ministry posted a photograph on its Twitter account of a soldier wearing a patch featuring a skull and crossbones known as the Totenkopf, or Death’s Head. The specific symbol in the picture was made notorious by a Nazi unit that committed war crimes and guarded concentration camps during World War II.

The patch in the photograph sets the Totenkopf atop a Ukrainian flag with a small No. 6 below. That patch is the official merchandise of Death in June, a British neo-folk band that the Southern Poverty Law Center has said produces “hate speech” that “exploits themes and images of fascism and Nazism.”

To be expected, the Times still tries to run cover while desperately seeking to 'reassure' its audience by writing that "In the short term, that threatens to reinforce Putin’s propaganda and giving fuel to his false claims that Ukraine must be 'de-Nazified' — a position that ignores the fact that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish."

New levels of cope indeed...

But then still, the NYT concedes awkwardly, "More broadly, Ukraine’s ambivalence about these symbols, and sometimes even its acceptance of them, risks giving new, mainstream life to icons that the West has spent more than a half-century trying to eliminate."

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Nazi symbolism was defined long ago. Ukraine taking it for their own defines them. The crimes they have committed on Russian sympathizing citizens solidify their intent. They are Nazis. How did that work out for the World?

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Originally Posted by Greyghost
When it comes to AP correspondents that are there in the heat of the battle, YES!

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Originally Posted by Greyghost
When it comes to AP correspondents that are there in the heat of the battle, YES!

Phil

How do they keep you alive without a brain, Gayghost?




Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

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Where is Houston? Consoling Burns ? LOL


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"Russia sucks."
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Ukraine is irrelevant to rank & file Americans. Propaganda conduits seem to be interested though.


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Pentagon announces a $2.1 billion military assistance package for Ukraine to aid in the recently launched counteroffensive.

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Russian cities along the border regions are issuing emergency declarations due to increasing drone attacks from the anti Putin Russian Freedom Fighters.

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Russia now heavily dependent upon Iran for more munitions and arms to fight against the Ukraine counteroffensive.

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Russia wrestling with how to send more Russian troops into the war without further and much more conscription.

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Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Ukraine is irrelevant to rank & file Americans. Propaganda conduits seem to be interested though.

You are certainly ‘rank’, 2dogsfk’n.

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The EU steps up its sanctions against Belarus for their support of Russia in its invasion and war against Ukraine.

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And once again howler old toot spreads the nazi communist party lines fake news.

Hard to believe toot and Greyghost have a brain cell between them.

Just like the crap the liberals spew in Canada.😳😋


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Looks like the Nazi invasion just failed hugely again in Russia just like in 1941

Huge loses of the vaunted leopard game changer tanks, US NATO military vehicles. And over 3000 Nazi casualties

Toots Houston’s war hero General Biden response - 2 more Billionin US tax payer money to The tape worm while he bankrupts Americans


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cuckrainians fleein inta other countries, ta avoid bein turned inta hamburger by the Russians:

"George is a big man with a soft face and a wounded look. As a deserter from the Ukrainian army, he would face 10 years in jail if he were caught.

George is not his real name. His and the names of other Ukrainians in this piece have been changed to protect their identities.

His first night in the trenches was the worst. That was in March last year, a month after the war started.

"We had 27 dead and 57 injured." He flicks through images on his phone of his former comrades. His forehead crumples as he does so and his big hands shake.

"All these people are dead, except me and that one" - he points to a woman in camouflage fatigues.

It took him several weeks and thousands of euros paid to a network of "guides", to cross the whole of Ukraine from the eastern war zone to this green and peaceful western border."

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