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In the latest Twilight Zone episodes, Michigan is pushing the boundaries of reality. What the hell happened up there? Michigan residents could be charged with a felony, face up to five years in prison and get a $10,000 fine for using the wrong pronouns under 'unconstitutional' new bill The Michigan House has approved a hate speech bill, HB 4474, that would criminalize causing someone to 'feel' threatened by words The bill aims to replace the current Ethnic Intimidation Act and includes 'sexual orientation' and 'gender identity or expression' as protected classes Offenders could face up to five years in prison for the felony offense - some have argued that the legislation could infringe on free speech rights
By JAMES GORDON PUBLISHED: 01:49 EDT, 30 June 2023 | UPDATED: 08:12 EDT, 30 June 2023
Michigan's House of Representatives has passed a hate speech bill, known as HB 4474, which criminalizes causing someone to feel threatened by words, including the misusing of their pronouns, with the possibility of a hefty fine or even jail time. The bill introduces hate crime penalties for causing someone to 'feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened,' with 'sexual orientation' and 'gender identity or expression' included as protected classes.
Offenders could face up to five years in prison for such a felony offense or a $10,000 fine.
It is part of a continues effort by Democrats in the state to advance a pro-LGBTQ+ agenda in their first months in power. The proposed legislation aims to replace the existing Ethnic Intimidation Act and extends protection against intimidation. The bill aims to replace the current Ethnic Intimidation Act and includes 'sexual orientation' and 'gender identity or expression' as protected classes. Critics argue that the bill poses a threat to First Amendment rights and lacks clarity in defining 'harassment', leaving it open to subjective interpretation.
The bill reads as follows: 'Intimidate' means a willful course of conduct involving repeated or continuing harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened, and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened.'
If passed, penalties would be based on how the supposed victim and court 'feel' about a particular matter. What constitutes as being deemed 'intimidation and harassment' would be up to the interpretation of the listener and a local prosecutor.Critics argue that the legislation could infringe on free speech rights and undermine the principles of due process.
Michigan Democrats have made it a priority to further protect LGBTQ+ people since they took control of all levels of state government this year. In March, lawmakers codified LGBTQ+ protections into the state's civil rights law, permanently outlawing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in the state. This new hate speech bill passed in the Democrat-controlled House 59-50 and will now move to the Michigan State Senate (also Democrat controlled) for further consideration.
If approved, it would expected to be signed into law by the Democratic state Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Distinguished Professor Emeritus William Wagner, an expert in constitutional law and former federal judge warns that the legislation could be used to silence conservative viewpoints and would oppose the due process required by the Constitution.
'Make no mistake about it. Those advocating for this legislation will wield these policies as a weapon capable of destroying conservative expression or viewpoints grounded in the sacred,' Wagner told The Daily Wire.
'One merely needs to look at the scores of cases brought against schools, churches, businesses, and individuals around our country. Proponents use these laws to silence and financially cripple those who dare to adhere to a different viewpoint and oppose their agenda.'
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Totally unconstitutional. Will be shot down by the courts pretty quickly if it's passed.
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Its bad enough women are allowed to vote, now they are writing laws?!? Lord help us...
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Well Michigan voted for them, reap what you sow! I will admit Michigan is the home of stupidity. My opinion, ymmv!
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Its bad enough women are allowed to vote, now they are writing laws?!? Lord help us... You presumed what their preferred pronoun is. You don't know "them". How dare you!
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This state is so fugged up.....if it wasn’t for my wife not being able to cut her mother's apron strings, I'd be out of this beautiful, but miserably populated state.
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1984 was a true prediction We are all being forced to use "new speak"
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In American jurisprudence, we disallow laws which are based on the feelings of others, since we have no control over the feelings of others, and laws of this sort make ordinary citizens incapable of avoiding prosecution via traditional standards of lawful conduct.
With regard to speech, this is particularly the case, since such a law would give random strangers a veto over the freedom of our speech, which specifically violates the First Amendment.
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Great! Wife has booked us a trip to the UP in a couple of months. Been nice knowing you folks! Shoot us an addy once you're 'in', we'll send a cake with file.
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1984 was a true prediction We are all being forced to use "new speak" Just in case some here aren't familiar with Newspeak...
In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), Newspeak is the fictional language of Oceania, a totalitarian superstate. To meet the ideological requirements of Ingsoc (English Socialism) in Oceania, the Party created Newspeak, which is a controlled language of simplified grammar and restricted vocabulary designed to limit the individual person's ability to think critically or to articulate subversive concepts, such as personal identity, self-expression, and free will. In Oceania, such thoughts are thoughtcrimes that contradict Ingsoc orthodoxy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
Yeah, I'd say we're moving closer and closer to that with each passing day.
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Well Michigan voted for them, reap what you sow! I will admit Michigan is the home of stupidity. My opinion, ymmv! It has become exactly that & since the Demons now control both houses of the legislature & the governorship, they are just getting warmed up. Gonna be rough from here on with no relief in sight. MM
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In American jurisprudence, we disallow laws which are based on the feelings of others, since we have no control over the feelings of others, and laws of this sort make ordinary citizens incapable of avoiding prosecution via traditional standards of lawful conduct.
With regard to speech, this is particularly the case, since such a law would give random strangers a veto over the freedom of our speech, which specifically violates the First Amendment. That's assuming constitutions and laws can't be changed. That's not always a safe asumption. Constitution of the People's Republic of ChinaArticle 35 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration. Article 36 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of religious belief. Article 51 When exercising their freedoms and rights, citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall not undermine the interests of the state, society or collectives, or infringe upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens. https://english.www.gov.cn/archive/lawsregulations/201911/20/content_WS5ed8856ec6d0b3f0e9499913.html China’s Constitutional Rights: A Grand IllusionBy James A. Dorn SEPTEMBER 1, 2021 Although there are numerous rights enumerated in China’s Constitution, all of those rights are negated by Article 51, which states: “When exercising their freedoms and rights, citizens of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) shall not undermine the interests of the state.” Those “interests” are all encompassing, but the most important is maintaining the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) monopoly on power. Consequently, China’s constitutional rights are merely “paper rights,” and a grand illusion. https://www.cato.org/blog/chinas-constitutional-rights-grand-illusion
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In American jurisprudence, we disallow laws which are based on the feelings of others, since we have no control over the feelings of others, and laws of this sort make ordinary citizens incapable of avoiding prosecution via traditional standards of lawful conduct.
With regard to speech, this is particularly the case, since such a law would give random strangers a veto over the freedom of our speech, which specifically violates the First Amendment. That's assuming constitutions and laws can't be changed. That's not always a safe asumption. Constitution of the People's Republic of ChinaArticle 35 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration. Article 36 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of religious belief. Article 51 When exercising their freedoms and rights, citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall not undermine the interests of the state, society or collectives, or infringe upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens. https://english.www.gov.cn/archive/lawsregulations/201911/20/content_WS5ed8856ec6d0b3f0e9499913.html China’s Constitutional Rights: A Grand IllusionBy James A. Dorn SEPTEMBER 1, 2021 Although there are numerous rights enumerated in China’s Constitution, all of those rights are negated by Article 51, which states: “When exercising their freedoms and rights, citizens of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) shall not undermine the interests of the state.” Those “interests” are all encompassing, but the most important is maintaining the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) monopoly on power. Consequently, China’s constitutional rights are merely “paper rights,” and a grand illusion. https://www.cato.org/blog/chinas-constitutional-rights-grand-illusion
Well, see'ins how we now have a 'abby-normal' Supreme Court........
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In American jurisprudence, we disallow laws which are based on the feelings of others, since we have no control over the feelings of others, and laws of this sort make ordinary citizens incapable of avoiding prosecution via traditional standards of lawful conduct.
With regard to speech, this is particularly the case, since such a law would give random strangers a veto over the freedom of our speech, which specifically violates the First Amendment. You would think so, but cops ain't supposed to be able to stop you and take all your money either are they?
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