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Seafire is right about one thing. Orygun local government relies on property taxes more than any other source...they don't have sales tax, their fuel taxes are relatively low, so local govt just loves to see increased population density for the increase in revenue. It's about their only way to increase income. Josephine County barely survives year to year budgetwise since the NAFTA and the spotted owl scam destroyed the Jefferson economy. Prior to that, Jo Co had approx 9 major sawmills and plywood plants with thousands of family wage jobs, all gone, courtesy US Govt. The main industry in the Illinois Valley now is the mass production of hippy children, on their 3rd generation of welfare and food stamps. Sad.

Real true conservative Oregonians who wish to keep hold of the good old days always have the option to not sell to Californians, hey?

Hate to point out that all too simple solution but…

Buy the damn place. Problem solved. It won't lose value.

What to do when their non-conservative neighbors sell though?

There's also the issue that John pointed out, old folks died, the heirs or trusts no longer have any need, or desire, to keep the property. Could they possibly have sold it to some entity to create a wildlife area in perpetuity as a condition of the sale?

This is what I do for a living--estates and probate, here in Oregon. The kids normally have houses, jobs, families, and lives that don't include the family property. So it gets sold.

Conservatives generally support the free transfer of property and capitalism in general. My rural area is slowly being taken over by "McMansions" as people scrape off the old 1,500 sq ft ranch style home and build a bigger (4,000 sq ft) absurdity.

Its unfortunate, but we live in the great United States of America, and citizens have the right to build the home they want, where they want.

Freedom matters.

Also, sale to a conservation group rarely works. The group sells the house and buys a wetland somewhere else.

BMT

In the OP's case, he mentioned farmhouses and larger acreages, not just a house. But yeah, it might be hard to get a group to purchase a 40 acre "farm" to conserve, and maybe harder to get the "in perpetuity" part included in the deed transfer.

I know of places in the Redwood's of CA that type of selling was the only way a family could guarantee the old growth trees on "Pop's" place didn't have to get cut as the value of the wood substantially increased the value of the property, to the point the heirs would have had to sell it, and the trees, outright just to pay the inheritance taxes.

Crazy world, but it beats living in a scheidthole country in the Third World.

But the two kids who are selling to the evil CA developer are potlandians. So how are Californians to blame?

And yes if old folks (who we assume want to keep Oregon for Oregonians) are at their end, can they not donate the land/assets to an entity that will ensure this?

Maybe those two kids are conservative Potlandians? And they only want the money for their portfolios? And have no desire to live in S OR with the hicks?
I'm not sure, maybe a member or two with RE experience can say if it's legal to refuse to sell to a person or company based on the State they reside in? Sounds a little discriminatory to me.

Not to be a party pooper, and I understand exactly where seafire is coming from because I moved away from where I grew up for the same reason, but do "real conservative Oregonians" have much to say about what their neighbors do with their private property, as long as they're not creating a nuisance?

....hmm I left Oregon 12 years ago--whatever happened to the LCDC rules on not allowing farms to be subdivided?

That is why we left, because our family place we inherited could not be divided among the heirs.

Elk won't necessarily move. Look at Estes Park. Elk wonder all around town

Generally, it is easier to sub-divide in Counties south of he Willamette Valley. Also, many are not technically subdivided. We use "Lot line adjustments" to move the property boundaries.

I worked on one where an 80 acre parcel was adjacent to an undeveloped subdivision that was platted in the 1930s. It was 18 small lots that was just blackberries and vine maple. We just moved those lines around to make 20 Five acre parcels.

Hard to know what is going on in this case.

BMT

Sal,

If anyone stands up for Californians on here its me... I'm an east coast guy. I travel often in your fair state, quite a bit.
Most of the geography in CA, is full of down to earth rural folks, just like anywhere else... Not all Oregon residents are like folks up in Potlandia. In the same vein, many Californians are not like people out of LA or SF or Sacramento...there are even good folks in those places, just like in Portland.

So you are right in correcting someone ( even me, complaining about 'Californians' ) but even tho it was me, I hope most people could look beyond that... Being from the east Coast, I've met a lot of nice and decent folks in New York State also.
Beretz is from NY State, and if you haven't noticed, he's a great guy...

So I'm not going to apologize to the A Hole Californians, but for the decent folks in your state, yeah 100%. Meant no offense to them whatsoever.

If you want to know a place that has really gone to hell in a handbasket, since I graduated High School, it is where I called home... Metro Washington DC, Northern Virginia. Which is the most expensive place to live in the entire USA. AND its all liberal and full of foreigners of every stripe. When I was in high school every school in the entire state flew the National Flag and then the Confederate Flag and finally the state of Virginia flag. As you can guess, that ship has long since sailed. Its hell to see what was a wonderful place to live, turn to hell in your life time. I understand that quite well.

Now Oregon, I wish the rest of the state would give Potland to Washington, along with the City of Salem. Last election the DemocRATS only took 6 counties out of 36 of them. Yet supposedly they still won the election. But I think they have been "winning " them for the time I've lived here ( 27 years ), in the same fashion Joe Biden "won" the last election.. by massive fraud.

I really wish the west coast, could make a new state that consisted of LA, SF, Sacramento, Salem, Potlandia, Seattle and Olympia....a bunch of metro urban islands full of communist liberals. Then the West Coast could get back to having all the decent folks who live here, run their states once again, and the urban new state can turn themselves in the schittholes they are busy becoming now....and they are not allowed to move into the CA, OR and WA that is left over, without them.

Thanks for bringing your concerns to my attention Sal and allowing me to respond.
Best regards my friend!

you are ignoring this scheisskopfhorsesaschschittbird...

1.5 to 5 acres...these new lots to be formed are RR 5 acres plots.

totally undeveloped, they are going for 225K to 250K on average.

Capitalism is 100% correct 100% of the time.

Well not really. It’s the best system that we have but it isn’t perfect. That sucks that the land is being carved up. I hate suburban sprawl.

Most land owners don't support it. The CA Real Estate people have paid off the Zoning Board, they are pretty open about that it seems. The County DemocRATs just want the increase tax base....no matter how high they make taxes on everyone else, its cheap compared to what these transplants paid in the land of Fruits and Nuts.

That's exactly what most residents in this neighborhood are doing, whether D or R, or planning to do if they don't fast track this thru, which is commonly what they pull up in Salem all the time... they don't like discussing such things, they just pass things and then let the other folks have to fight it out in court... try to deter any opinion different than theirs.

They wander out of that area a lot, but we are surrounded by BLM and Forest Service Land...

but they have all they need here, so they don't go far...

It was 99 degrees here this afternoon... I left to go into town, there was about 50 plus, just bedded down underneath the shade of the trees on the back part of my property and the neighbor's... just like they were on vacation...

Stopped while in my car, and looked at them 25 yards from me... they just starred back, without any real interest whatsoever, including 4 of the 5 big bulls....they were laying down and just nibbling on grass and clover.