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Starting to look for a new utility tractor to replace the 100hp Case.

My Case is over 9 years old and has 2500 hours on it. It still runs good, but I'm a bit scared of the upcoming costs on it to keep it that way.

I do ridged maintenance on it, and keep it in tip-top shape. But sooner or later the things known to fail....will. Like the DPF, at a cost of $5k to replace, etc.

Right now, It's worth roughly what I paid for it. But as I look down the line of time, I can expect to spend more and more keeping it running.

This is the Case I'm looking to replace.





Looking at 100 to 112hp tractors.

Tractor dealers around me that sell that horsepower tractor are Case (I won't go back to the dealer that sold me the current one. Ever. The dealer is important!), John Deere, New Holland, and Kubota.

Which color would you be looking at?

WHAT ABOUT MAHINDRA?

I've got one. Got a 2019 6075 cab. Love it, and spend lots of time with it. It's a pretty advanced tractor for the price.

BUT... Mahindra has changed their lineup of tractors now, and the one I have is the biggest they offer now. I'm needing something north of 100hp.

I would stay away from New Holland. Granted it was ten years ago, but bought brand new 75 hp bucket tractor. In the 2 years of the warranty I had it back in for clutch, instrument cluster, 4wd system and PTO not turning off. The last 2 months I had it the hours reset every time that I started tractor. Day the warranty ran out I traded it on a Massey Ferguson. Much better tractor and still going after 3994 hours on a 2014 model. And the HP range you are looking at are nicer than the MF 4610 that I have. I see a lot of NH tractors with low hours on dealer lots, so I'm going to assume that when warranty ran out, tractor was traded. I know that's what I did.

There's different levels of quality (and price) now.

The one I have above is a 10 year tractor. It's running strong now, with no issues.

Case and New Holland are the same tractor, only different colors. They are both made by CNH... Case/New Holland which are subsidiaries of Fiat.

I wouldn't even consider the New Holland Workmaster series tractor. The one I'm looking at is a Powerstar 110, which is the same basic platform of tractor as the one I've owned for 10 years.

New Holland has the Workmaster as their "economy" series. John Deere has the "E" series as their economy line.

For the work I do, the tractor needs to be stout... I can't venture into "economy" territory... They just won't hold up.

I agree on the model line and quality. My NH was the T4.75 and have yet to hear of anyone liking them. We mostly use our bucket tractor to load/haul round bales and feed cattle in the winter. We have bigger stouter tractors for the grunt work. So I don't really need the stoutest tractor like you do. But I do want it to work like it's supposed to when you are paying $45,000 plus (2014 model).

I did not know Mahindra had dropped their 100 HP tractors. I bought a new 2016 last year. It's OK.

To the question: I have had numerous NH - JD and Kubota tractors.

I would ONLY have Kubota of those 3.

I have spent many , many hours on the farm on Farmalls . Olivers, AC WD 45's, Ford. From 8 N's to 350 HP.

I would never buy anew JD or NH.

When my cuzin bought a new Ford 5000- 10 Spd . automatic. Whoo ee . Still runnin'

Yessir.

I use my Mahindra 75hp for short jobs, like putting out hay, etc.

The reason I do is that it doesn't have a diesel particulate filter system, or use DEF. I think Mahindra spent like $30 million bucks developing those engines to not have the reg-gen requirement because they burn clean enough to meet govt standards without it.

Mahindra dropped the higher horsepower models because they were made by TYM for them. (TYM tractors had issues.)

The tractors they make themselves with Mahindra engines are better. I hear they may team up with Mitsubishi to design some higher HP tractors before too long.

Gotta wonder what tech they use to avoid DEF/DPF.

I love my kubota, but at 26 hp not in your ballpark.

Any insight on any of the brand forums like orange tractor talk?

Here's what I know about the mCRD technology... Instead of having a DPF that burns hot, the system burns perhaps a bit warmer and cleaner at higher injection pressures all the time, so smoke doesn't show up in the exhaust.

They don't get into it real heavy. Probably because it's patented technology.

https://www.mahindrausa.com/--mcrd-technology

As far as the Orange... I think Kubotas are good products. The dealer we have here is good as well, with a good reputation. But after trying a couple of times, I just can't seem to get with them on price.

When the DPF fails just delete it. Win, win.

Wish you luck in your search.

Unless you’re overly hard on equipment I would run that Case for another 2500 hours.

I have a 9 year old 125hp green tractor with roughly the same hours, set up much the same as your red tractor. I have every intention to be driving it 9 years from now.

Mine is worth more than I paid for it 5 years ago, but the new ones bring that much more. Mine is also pre DEF, that’s worth something to me.

That's an option I'm considering.

I know there's going to be stuff break down I'm going to have to fix to keep running. The crystal ball question is how much major stuff, and how much money?

My tractor now is worth quite a bit, and takes a lot off the price of a new one.

Damn. Went and looked at Green tractors today. Holy Chit. $$$$!

In 2017 after looking at CIH and JD , I bought a Kubota M6 131. So far, so good but only 270 hours on the clock. It has DEF and DPF. Kubota replaced the DEF header last year under warranty although I did not have any problem with mine. I went with this model because of the horsepower range and the fact that it has a 6.1 liter engine instead of the 4.5 liters the JD and CIH had. They are all 4 cylinders now unless your get into higher horsepower. It has all the bells and whistles and is easy to operate and is very comfortable. I would at least go look at the Kubotas.

If it were me, I'd probably keep your old Case. Sam Olson would say buy something older without DPF and DEF. I looked for one before I bought the Kubota and gave up.

https://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/008/5/1/8515-kubota-m6-131.html

Green paint is spendy, especially new green paint.

I’ve never owned a new one, I come from a line of 2nd & 3rd hand Deere owners. It’s a hard habit to break. 🤓

Apples to Apples in features and horsepower... $26k more than the New Holland out of the box.

Looks like a nice tractor!

I'd tear something up with that much horsepower...

Yep, I'd keep the current red one Barry!



Our green tractors range from 2002-2010 models, 4-5k hours on each one which is only halfway close to being 'wore' out. I plan on keeping them forever. Well maybe not the newest one....lol



I'd look for a little cream puff like this but of course a trade would be impossible.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listin...e-6430-premium-100-hp-to-174-hp-tractors

That's a sweet tractor for sure! Wish I could find one local, and with a loader...gotta have a loader.

I figured you'd have the gremlins worked outta that latest one you got by now, Sam.

I'm sure not convinced the new JD's are worth the extra $$ over a competitor's top of the line series tractor. I'll explore all options, but it'd take some pretty good convincing.

From a Deere owner, they’re not.

Unless you’re needing expenses to keep from paying more income taxes I’d hang onto old Red. Especially if there’s nothing really wrong with it.

That might be exactly what I do.

I know there's some things on the horizon I'm going to have to repair or replace, but overall, it's a solid tractor.

What kind of things on the horizon?

Just wondering…

I have bought one new tractor in the 50 plus years that I've been using one. I just can't put a pencil to it and justify the cost. If I farmed thousands of acres, I'd probably feel a lot differently. We barely put a 100 hours a year on the biggest one, a 115 HP NH. The little 45 HP NH gets used at least a couple of times a week, but more piddling jobs than hard work. Prices on the new ones scare me even thinking about them.

The DPF is due to be replaced at any time now. Most have trouble before the hours I have on my tractor, but I use this tractor mostly running 1900 rpm's non stop, all day long, and when the DPF comes on, it does a good job of cleaning.

Those who use their tractors with a DPF for short jobs, on and off in a few minutes... like to run put out a couple of bales of hay, etc., have more clogging, and have to replace it sooner. Dealer told me to replace it is $5k.

There's a couple of other things like the clutch dump can get jumpy at times. That can be a simple computer fix, or breaking the tractor in half to get at the issue. Tractor I have is highly computerized. I don't see that as a necessarily good thing.

I use the power shuttle shift from forward to reverse when I can, and use the clutch as little as possible. That was hard to do at first, since your first inclination is to step on the clutch when reversing directions.

Barry, if I had the money for a new tractor I would probably go with the M series from John Deere.

That or the comparable red version.


I'd stay away from the fancy JD R series.

sometimes newer isn't better-an example is a friend/client had a MFWD 7410 JD he used daily for cattle operation-haying, feeding, etc. Made a little money one year and decided to trade it in on a 7420. Electronics made that tractor a lemon, it was in the shop more than it was home. Before the warranty was up he traded it in on a 7430 and got another good tractor. Says he wishes he kept the 7410

The JD I was looking at is a 5115M. That's the one that is $26k more than the comparable New Holland.

New Holland=Case.... Same=Same.

I want a moderately advanced tractor, but some of the models are just totally crazy with everything being computer operated. Computers are bad Ju-Ju.

Although I am far from being a good mechanic, I prefer to be able to work on my equipment if at all possible. Tractors with computers are something that I can't fix.

Exactly.

Not even a good tractor mechanic can work on them either. It has to be dealer specific.

I’ve got a 60 horse Massey Ferguson, I only have a 100 hours on it but it’s a beast. I’m not sure how big Massey makes their tractors

DPF on a tractor is about the dumbest idea ever.

DPF & DEF are both equally stupid.

My F-350 has both!

When that DPF comes on, your miles per gallon plummet. It runs up hotter and faster when it kicks on. You can watch the mileage dropping by the minute.

EGR valves are the devil's spawn.

What I meant is that it’s even more dummer on a tractor.

Oh, I agree.

Govt mandated. It's gotta have it, per the govt.

BUT the customer pays for it up front. And then when the DPF clogs up, some of those replacement bills can hit over $5k.

If the govt wants you to have it, why don't THEY pay for the DPF, DEF, and any associated repairs?

That’s pretty funny!


Wait, a joke right?

some of the reasons stated on here for the reason of in particular
of emissions upkeep and the electronics on these newer tractors is one reason very nice older machines are bringing very good money people want away from that stuff. I have quite a few green tractors from the old 30 -55 series and then some 00-20 series . the 20 series is already getting too much electronic stuff for myself I try to buy things now at 10 series and older ..

Buy used.jmho

I've got "used"...

Looking to get 10 years down the road, God willing, and sell it, and some other stuff I have in my operation, and not spend a ton of money on repairs between now and then.

Another major consideration is down time.

It really doesn't matter what kind of repair you have, once a repair is needed, not only does parts availability become a crap shoot, but the time in the service dept before it's fixed can be the difference between sink or swim.

It's not a good scenario today. I have one tractor in the shop needing a water pump. It's been there for over 3 weeks now. Parts weren't an issue. But workload and getting someone to actually work on it is.


It's really surprisingly BAD with the labor problems service depts are having now... I pulled the trigger on a new tractor last week. Dealer, is a friend of mine BTW. I told him I'd like to pick it up the first part of this week. He said they have a stack of tractors to "make ready" right now. Hell, I'll be lucky to get it sometime NEXT week.

It used to be when you bought a new tractor, you went outside 30 minutes after making the deal, and it was loaded on your trailer, washed, shiny, and full of diesel.. No more, it seems.

Hell, you can't even see the interior for all the paper and plastic wrap.

Barry, what size NH is that. Also, what transmission does it have. I have a NH TS115A, made about 2007 I believe. It has the 16 speed Electro Command tranny. I don't really care for it, although it is nice to run through the gears the way it does.

It's a 110 Powerstar. New Holland's mid-range tractor line. I don't need the fancy stuff their T-5 line has, but don't want the "economy" Workmaster line either. I'm in that tractor way too much in rugged conditions to have a weekend warrior economy line tractor.

The transmission is a 12x12 power shuttle. I have a similar power shuttle transmission in my current model. You don't have to clutch to change directions. Just move the lever forward or reverse, and tractor slows, stops and changes direction.

This newer version even allows you to have the gear and RPM's set that you want, then just move the lever in the direction you want to go, and it will slowly take off then get up to speed in that direction, no clutching. (Yes, that takes a bit of getting used to... My first instinct is to step on the clutch. )

I've got the shuttle shift, and MY first instinct is to clutch the tractor. I like it for some things, not so much for others. I like the blue tractors, having had a bunch of them, including 3 now. I think you'll like it.

I've been happy with my New Holland loader.

SOB!

So last week I made the deal on that tractor. Asked the owner of the dealership if I could pick it up the first part of this week... (I mean, that's pretty reasonable, right?)

He said probably not, that was a service dept. issue, as they have to get it in and run the dyno with it, check fluid levels, wash it, put in tire sealant, etc. Owner told me to get ahold of the service mgr and put it in line and tell him what I wanted done.

Checked with him today, and he said it'd be more than 2 weeks before they can service the new tractor.

I told him I had a huge project waiting on that tractor, and needed it sooner.... Sorry. We have a stack of new tractors sold that we have to service.

SOB!

Last tractor I bought was a one day turn around.

They can't get help. The help they get don't show up for work, or sit around on their phones half the day.

Something's gotta give. You can't run a country like that.

Barry, I went to work in the Trane air conditioning factory at Clarksville TN. right after I was married. Worked there for about 12 years at night, and farmed by day. Talked to a guy the other day that I'd worked with back in the day, He's retired now, but told me that they were so desperate for help that they were hiring jail immates who were on a work release program. It's pathetic that people don't want to work. You can thank Uncle Joe for that.

Yeah, Covid taught people to stay home and make more money than working, and then add Biden into the mix, and people went without tractor, or any other kind of inventory to sell. Add Biden's dept of transportation, and it's totally hosed. Parts waiting months to get shipped, received at port and distributed...

You can't starve an economy and win anything.

It's not over yet.

Get what ever turns your crank, I personally don’t like a tractor made after 1985, for the simple fact you can work on them, plenty of parts for them. Don’t want any DEF, electronic fuel injection and all the plastic fenders and hoods. My brother and I have John Deere and Ferguson and Massey Ferguson , simple to maintain. Just my .02

How does CaseIH, Case New Holland all fit together?

mmmm. New tractor smell! 😂

Hope you get it and it works out for you.

Richard, I believe that Fiat owns CNH, which has the Case-IH and New Holland brand equipment. I'm not a Case or IH fan, so can't really tell you about their history, but New Holland bough Ford out back in the 90's, and then after a few years, NH was bought out by Fiat. That's why so many of the Case-IH and NH tractors are pretty much the same.

That's it.

Finally took delivery of the new tractor yesterday afternoon.

It's not the same one I'd made a deal on about 3 weeks ago. My dealer couldn't get it in to get PDI'd in that 3 week time period, even though I told him I needed that tractor asap, as they have my 75hp in the ship for a water pump.

Called another friend of mine who owns the NH dealership close by, and asked if he had a 110 on the lot. He said no, but they just got a Powerstar 120. He sold me that tractor for the same price I was quoted on the 110... AND I picked it up yesterday.

Got out in the heat of the morning (It doesn't get cool anymore here) and waxed all painted body and loader surfaces. It keeps it from brush scratching so much, doing what I do with it.



Took nearly a month. I hate buying new pickups, new tractors, or new computers and phones.

Got it accessorized with needful things today.

Warning lights, etc.

That looks really good Barry. I love the blue tractors. What transmission did you get?

Just the standard 12x12 power shuttle. The optional transmission adds about 10 grand to the price.

One interesting observation is that my old Case would run 17-18mph down the road.

Took this one home and on a farm to market road that's nice and level, and it ran 26-27mph. Not that I care to be that fast in a tractor, but 22 or so is nice.

Got the rifle mounted, you are good to go

I have a TS115A, made in about 2007 I believe. It has the 16X16 Electro Command transmission, with power shuttle. I didn't care for it when I got it, as I wanted the 12X12. Had to put clutch packs in at around 2000 hours. Had I let Case-IH do it, their estimate was 8-10,000 dollars. A local shop did it for about $2500. I am a big believer in keeping things simple.

Barry, that tractor sho is purtty...... when do I get to drive it?

Randy, all it's waiting on is some rain!

You know how things get when it gets as dry as it is now.. Ranchers spend money on round bales rather than shredding. It's as dry as I've ever seen it.

Sure sorry to hear you lost your dad. I know you two were close.

Congrat's on your new member to your family

Thanks!

Already putting it to work. It's on a good sized ranch project now.