If you wanted to get a 223 Rem to a max of 500 (maybe a bit past but the longest i have access too is 500....lets say 600 max) yards, for fun and for the odd plink at a coyote or the like, what bullet/load would you choose?
Rifle in question is a Tikka T3x Lite Stainless, 22.3" with 1-8 twist
Thanks!
But I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, The last of Barrett's Privateers
If you wanted to get a 223 Rem to a max of 500 (maybe a bit past but the longest i have access too is 500....lets say 600 max) yards, for fun and for the odd plink at a coyote or the like, what bullet/load would you choose?
Rifle in question is a Tikka T3x Lite Stainless, 22.3" with 1-8 twist
Thanks!
Ive got a Tikka superlight with the 8 twist. Its normal load is a 55 gr NBT over a max charge of cfe223....does just fine at 500 if you can dope the wind.
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
Thanks guys! Appreciate the experience/load combos. Sounds like there are a lot of ways to skin this particular cat, and that's a good thing!
Although I hear that comment on the wind. I best get to practicing. Happy to hear the 1-8 will handle some 80 grain offerings as well. Good to know.
Is Hornady's 73gr Match bullet any good as well?
The 73gr Hornady is not a good pill to use on game. Check out penetration tests done by people with that bullet. One reason I only punch paper or ground squirrels with them. I like and use sierra 77's. Both the bthp match and TMK. Excellent pills for reaching way out there with the .223 rem. The powders I use are RL15 and AR Comp. YMMV.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
My Tikka SL will shoot 50 Vmax, 55 Vmax, 65 SGKs and 55 Hornady SPs sub MOA with just about any load.
75s are a lot easier past 300 for me, but I had a little harder time getting them to shoot under 1”. IMR 4895 (max load) .010” off the lands is shooting great, biggest group (5) was .7. Hitting coyote sized steel at 500 is very easy.
Igloo, keep us posted on how your rifle does. I'm interested, as I have a Tikka T3x lite chambered in 22-250 with a 1 in 8" twist. The 223 remington is a cool little cartridge, though, that always seems to do quite well. I have some AR's that shoot damn well from 400 to 600 yards. That rifle like beretz's (Tikka CTR) would be a damn cool one to have. Yours is a lot lighter, so your form has to be pretty good to shoot well at 500 yards. It's manageable though, as my Lite 22-250 does a pretty good job. It's set up a little heavier though, as it wears a B&C stock and heavy Nightforce scope. I look forward to hearing about how your rifle shoots and what bullet you decide on. Test different ones if you are uncertain.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Igloo, keep us posted on how your rifle does. I'm interested, as I have a Tikka T3x lite chambered in 22-250 with a 1 in 8" twist. The 223 remington is a cool little cartridge, though, that always seems to do quite well. I have some AR's that shoot damn well from 400 to 600 yards. That rifle like beretz's (Tikka CTR) would be a damn cool one to have. Yours is a lot lighter, so your form has to be pretty good to shoot well at 500 yards. It's manageable though, as my Lite 22-250 does a pretty good job. It's set up a little heavier though, as it wears a B&C stock and heavy Nightforce scope. I look forward to hearing about how your rifle shoots and what bullet you decide on. Test different ones if you are uncertain.
Thank you! Will do! And that 22-250 must open up a lot of nice options for you to drive some good bullets very ast! Think you need one of those and a setup like Beretz has too
Having to keep solid form will be great for training. At least the Ascent is almost 18 oz...feels good on there actually.
Very much stuck in the big city apt for the time being...but its coming together.
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by SinisterLefty
75 ELD-X, 77 SMK, 77 TMK, or 80gn SMK over H322, H335, or XBR 8208.
best response I can think of right here... my only additions would be using H 380 or AR Comp, IMR 4895 & / or 4064.
and I'd leave out H335/ I hate that powder.....
Thanks Seafire! What's wrong with 335? Never used it enough to form an opinion one way or another. Most of my 223 shooting was with Ramshot TAC but it also mostly ironsighted AR.
Last edited by Igloo; 07/17/23.
But I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, The last of Barrett's Privateers
Thank you both! Happy to hear that I am on the right track. It feels/handles very well, and I see why everyone likes the Sports Match rings so much. Think the same scope and ring combo is going on this one's big game caliber sibling.
Its not torqued down or anything here yet, just in lightly tightened rings for now to see. Soon as I can escape work and the big city I'll degrease, loctite and torque down properly.
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
75 ELD with TAC or LVR.
Q.E.D.
Thank you! Think I'll start with the 75gr ELD, 77gr SMK or TMK, and TAC. Can always try some lighter bullets with TAC while I am at it just to see, too.
Just ordered one of these magazines from the fellow here. They look rough arounnd the edges but if they work, they work. Will let me run the 75 ELD or whatever else out long as I want to for $47 to the door? Sure.
Looking great buddy. Liking those sportsmatch rings and that scope combo. Perfect height rings from the looks of it. Let us know how it performs for you. I expect very good results. Those Tikka's shoot lights out. Amazing little lightweight rifles they are..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Well, I've always said it is harder to fine a powder that works best in a 223, vs the others.. It digests about anything.
I have two blow ups using H 335, in 223s. 25 grains with a 55 grain bullet.
Had to repair a stock once and not long afterward had to replace a bolt...eventually just sold the rifle off to a gun smith. Ruger 77 Mk 2.
I am speculating their may have been some bad batches of H 335 that left the factory. One blow up was a Black Hills Ammunition factory load, the other was one of my handloads.
But as I said, pretty much anything works well in a 223., so with so many other options, why do I ever need to try H 335 ever again... and those experiences were almost 20 years ago....
On the flip side about the 223 to 500 yds. This past winter and spring I was going over to my local range, 3 miles from home. They have 12 inch steel gongs hung out at 300 and 400 yds... With 50, 52, 53 and 55 grain bullets, most of this winter and spring, I 'd go over that 20 or 30 rounds loaded with those bullets weight. 4 x 16 Cabelas Convenant Rifle Scope on top, I was ringing steel with 85% plus with my shots. Rifle was either a Ruger VT in 223 or a Remington 700 Varmint, 1 in 12 twist....
I was doing that with loads ranging from 8.5 to 9.5 grains of Unique, 2100 to 2300 fps MV. So if I could do that, with a load that light, reaching 500 yds wasn't that hard, and wouldn't be with any other 223 load, which would be much flatter shooting.
Why would I do that? Well, it tightens up your distance shooting abilities. You don't loose sight picture thru the scope, because the recoil is so light., and it maximizes your powder resources. I have plenty of primers, and plenty of range pick up brass...and I did that January thru May, and into early June. With under 10 grains of powder in each round, overall I shot over 700 rounds during that period of time out of the two rifles.
That cost me exactly one pound of Unique powder. So now I'm down to like only 21 pounds of Unique, left in my powder closet. But I've been able to recharge the number of pounds of Blue Dot, Alliant Steel, H 110 and a host of about half a dozen other pistol and shot gun powders.
some one asked me if I could go further out, and told him I didn't know. So he pulled out his spotting scope and I shot at plates at 500, 550 and 600 yds/meters. He came off his scope laughing..." Did I miss that bad?"
Nope, he said he could see the paint fly off the steel plate, but there was so little oomph left in the bullet, it didn't even make the plate wiggle or swing... he removed one of his ear muff sides and also said he couldn't even hear a tink when the bullet made contact, but thru the scope he could see the white paint chip off the steel.
Yeah I do crazy off the wall stuff like that... but it sure helps with learning long distance shooting, even on a budget.
700 rounds plus in 5 months, and only 1 pound of Unique powder used....
When I pulled the trigger each time, I often If I had more distance or more altitude in elevation, getting the bullet to the target. 300 & 400 yds, you could see the plate react to the hit and could hear the 'tink' of the bullet making contact... by 500 yds, you couldn't see the plate wiggle or the bullet hit... but the guy with the 45 power spotting scope could see the paint flake off....
so a 500 yd shot with a proper loaded 223, and a 75 grain HP, or tipped bullet ought to be a piece of cake...
Best of luck on your endeavours. cheers, seafire
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
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"Blow ups" is code for a Drooling Fhuqking Retard being in over her pointy head. Hint.
'335/50's at 500yds+. Hint.
Pass the 75 ELD's and Lever'. Hint......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery…you “lucky” kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even you can “afford” to “contribute”. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING………….
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Gee Stumpy, took you all of 10 minutes to find that post and post another one of your cut and paste responses, that you've used well over 10,000 times to no one in particular....
so we can all gather, you're not out working.. don't over stress those two working brain cells...
have a good day Stumpy, spending your time putting another coat of wax on that chrome dome of yours, jerking off in the outhouse, and taking some of your rifles down to the stream for a swim to clean them... and get them rust camo'ed.
Ain't easy being Schtick, is it?
Later Grue'sum....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
You are a CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Brokedick Schit,smitten with Man Lust and fending perpetual Homoerotic Fantasies...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Simply pardon exceptional wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud. You can't even summons a picture of your own. Hint.
For context,quantify how many times a day you think about me,the durations of same and what I'm wearing,as you "live" vicariously. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Seafire, thanks for posting your experience/loads/anecdotes. A guy'd be shooting just about forever with those loads. Have to admit I would dig popping grouse with them around camp too.
Mr Stick,
What would be a good target starting/finishing load for the Leverite There powder and the 75gr ELD-M if you don't mind me asking? Have a hunch you've spent a few primers igniting just a bit of it lol. Do you chase a certain velocity? Read tea leaves of cases to see what pressure looks like? Have a general rule to follow?
BSA,
Thanks again! I will make sure to post when I get it out and shoot, with the chrono along too.
Last edited by Igloo; 07/20/23.
But I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, The last of Barrett's Privateers
I shoot Moly Smooches expressly and have a goodly sized herd of fast twist 223's and 223 AI's. Hint.
Teeker T3 mags suck heavy ass and slam doors shut. Though I only have (4) 1-8" Teeker 223's,they are all either sipping from CTR or AICS mags. None Smooch longer than 2.520" COAL,which is easily arranged in said mags. Hint.
Just sayin'.......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Pards have and they are Dog Schit,plus you are left suffering the OEM bottom “metal” and it’s schit release. Hint.
Go CTR or AICS, depending upon how you are vested and never look back. Hint………..
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Last batch of CTR mags I ordered,was from EuroOptic. Hint......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've "only" shot moly(expressly) in multiple 100's of tubes and you'd need a fhuqking co-signer for the muzzle tape alone...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute",albeit only with pics you've stolen from me,as you "live" vicariously. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING,you CLUELESS Brokedick Thieving Piece Of Fhuqking Schit........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've "only" shot moly(expressly) in multiple 100's of tubes and you'd need a fhuqking co-signer for the muzzle tape alone...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute",albeit only with pics you've stolen from me,as you "live" vicariously. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING,you CLUELESS Brokedick Thieving Piece Of Fhuqking Schit........................
Fortunately for a Drooling Brokedick Candy Striper,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've "only" shot moly(expressly) in multiple 100's of tubes and you'd need a fhuqking co-signer for the muzzle tape alone...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute",albeit only with pics you've stolen from me,as you "live" vicariously. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING,you CLUELESS Brokedick Thieving Piece Of Fhuqking Schit........................
It arrived today. So it looks like the inletting/top part was shaped using a dull-toothed beaver as a shop tool. But it cycles rounds just fine, locks into the rifle securely (a bit tight to remove) and it feels solid.
We'll see how it holds up. If it poops the bed I won't cry too hard about less than $30 USD but theres no reason to think it will yet.
But I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, The last of Barrett's Privateers
I have a 1:7 Lilja factory contour dupe on a Kimber Montana. It shoots 50V-Max and 75 A-Max well enough that I would shoot either to 500. I’m going to load some 53’s for it as well just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
I’ve got the 75’s @ 2700fps via Big Game, I think there’s still some FPS on the table.
I can walk on water.......................but I do stagger a bit on alcohol.
I drive a 7" Rock on same(21" Montucky),though in 223AI. 75 ELD Form Loads are 2950fps,the Real Stuff 3150fps...Lever' across the board. Hint.
2950fps with 75's in my 223 SALAMI's is standard fare at 21" with Lever'. Hint.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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