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Getting a rescue bill is complete BS. Isn't rescue a job they are all already getting paid for? Somebody is paying for it. You can bet some tax funded resources are tapped. Even if the people are volunteers. Remember watching a Blackhawk crash on Mt Hood rescuing some dipshits who were winter mountain climbing. Millions of dollars, people seriously hurt rescuing dumbasses. Wouldn't say everyone rescued needs charged, but those engaged in stupid behavior shouldn't get to use others resources for free. Daughter got bucked off a horse and broke her back. The helicopter ride damage sure wasn't free. $50000 for 100 miles.
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Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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You guys know that ambulance rides are not free either....right? Try a helicopter ride !
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I'm in Arizona now on vacation. Passed through Phoenix yesterday. Everybody bitching about the 115° heat. But, I will take this Arizona dry heat any day over the 95° humid-as-hell weather I left in eastern North Carolina.
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He died with his boots on.
My condolences to his family.
Not everyone wants to live to 100 with their ass in a couch.
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It's well known policy in Arizona (this is not colorado). If you do something stupid you pay. It's about not using public funds for STUPID acts, which are practically epidemic. And yeah, first responders sign up for hazardous duty, but it sure as hell doesn't mean for lives to be needlessly risked. They close trails here when temps get hot. Break the rules and you pay. Don't like it? Tough S H I T. You should see all the dummys that drive into flooded washes and need rescue. Or the morons that attempt to handle rattlesnakes.
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This is a everyday thing with Illegals here in S.Texas, so far this year they have found 58 dead from the heat in Starr County. Rio7 How far do you have to chase them with the four wheelers before the fall over dead?
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We crushed the record for all-time electrical load here yesterday. And this fuqqer was out daring the sun to kill him.
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Oh hell
only 99 here right now
Its a dry heat.....
9% humidity
T R U M P W O N !
U L T R A M A G A !
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I’ve instilled in our children the hard fact that you and you alone are responsible for not only your safety but those that are with you. That includes as much training on a variety of topics pertinent to one’s interests AND it means paying for rescue insurance NOW. Nobody should expect someone else to come find their ass and haul their ass back to town for free. Now as our children are getting older and enjoying their hobbies they’re beginning their everlasting education. Backcountry survival, first aid, etc as well as avalanche rescue are the first in what is likely to be countless more classes so they can enjoy their backcountry activities with the quiet confidence that accompanies knowledge and experience. They know that I expect them to know how to handle themselves in bad situations but they also know that if you need help you need it NOW and it’s your responsibility to have figured that out beforehand with the ability to communicate and affect rescue including having the money or insurance to pay for it!
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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It's well known policy in Arizona (this is not colorado). If you do something stupid you pay. I think you don't know what you are talking about. The guy in your post isn't going to get a bill for his rescue.
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Note: The responding rescue crews were Phoenix FD. Pretty sure they get paid.
Not to detract from this guy's dumbassery.
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118 degrees! just damn oh dear!
If we had headed to the house when the temps broke 115 as kids, the hay bales would still be laying in the fields, the alfalfa and corn would have dried up and shriveled away without irrigation water.
I will say, at about the same age as the stricken hiker, I am no longer acclimated to working in those temps.
But forty some years ago I would jog three miles, then move six sets of handlines at 1/4 mile each, then jog the three miles home. Farming don't stop just cause typical July/August weather sets in. You just carry lots of water.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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I don't know that the guy's age had a lot to do with it, but it may have. Nonetheless, good for him for trying. Last year, my uncle, at age 73, got himself in a situation where he realized he might not make it back home without help. So, he called for help. He spends a lot of time in the desert, and is not unfamiliar with the risks. He ran out of water. The county Sheriff rode up on an ATV and gave him water and helped him out. I have never had to call for help. If I did, I would have a problem since I don't have a cell phone. Still, I have no issues with hiking or working in the heat. I'm 74. GD
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I had an old guy come up to my front door and asked if I wanted him to do my yard. I asked what he wanted to do it and it was a fair price so I told him to go ahead figuring he'd come by the next morning before it got hot. Nope, the old boy and his wife went to town on my yard. Him working on the back yard and her on the front. I checked the temperature and it was 100 and gettin close to noon. I filled up a large pitcher with water and some ice and brought it out to her. I told her if you need more just ring the bell and I'll fill it up again. It was 106 when they finished. They did a way better job than most I've hired to do the work so I hope he comes back in a moth to do it again.
I've live here in the Sonoran Desert since 1979 and in the higher desert of Nevada for 10 years before that. I'm fully aware of problems out and about during the summer months. before I got my knees messed uo so that hiking is now out of the qquestion, I used to spend a lot of time in the desert and on the local mountains. I do miss not being able to do that anymore. PJ
Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them. MOLON LABE
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You guys know that ambulance rides are not free either....right? The one I took in 2022 would have been $1000 for that three mile ride. I pay a $60 annual subscription to my local ambulance association which waived that bill.
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Medical transport, including helicopters, is included in our Medicare Advantage. That doesn't mean I'm going to go hiking in that kind of heat, though. I don't care if I never get to use the insurance. I've been roofing our house and it's been getting in the high 90's. I quit for the day by 11AM.
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It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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I run our local Search and Rescue team, we are 100% volunteer. We are the lead agency for backcountry rescue and support the county Fire & Rescue Department (they are paid) on front-country if needed. Only 15% of our annual budget comes from the county, the rest is raised via fundraising, grants from philanthropic organizations and donations. We do not charge for our service, ever. Every person on the team is there because we want to be and right now we have a list of close to 30 people that would like to join. Yeah, people do dumb sh it every day, others just get in over their heads. We run an active outreach program focused on making smart choices, but in the end Darwin’s principle sometimes comes into play.
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