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Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 #18633887 08/02/23
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,259 Likes: 6 W. Texas J JGRaider OP Campfire Ranger
OP JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,259 Likes: 6 W. Texas	I found this piece of brass on our mule deer ranch last December. It is marked WRAC (Winchester Repeating Arms) 30 G, 1906. I say it is a predecessor of the 30-06, circa 1900-1903 or so. A buddy of mine says it's nothing more than a 30-40 Krag military cartridge. Anyone know the facts? It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633906 08/02/23
Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 6,261 Sierra Nevada foothills Scott_Thornley Campfire Tracker
Scott_Thornley Campfire Tracker Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 6,261 Sierra Nevada foothills	The "1906" is a giveaway , thats a .30-06 case. Were it that age, and just .30 Govt, it could be the 1903 precursor to the .30-06 aka .30-03

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633911 08/02/23
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kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 4 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas	Yup! 30-40 is either .30 US ARMY or .30 ARMY. Best of my knowledge the Govt moniker was never associated with the Krag ctg. Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633913 08/02/23
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reivertom Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 10,145 Likes: 4 Kentucky Hills	If it has a rim, it's a 30-40.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633914 08/02/23
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4	The 30-40 case has a rim.

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Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633915 08/02/23
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zcm82 Campfire Tracker Z Joined: Sep 2021 Posts: 3,056 Illinois	Krag is a rimmed cartridge. beaten to the punch twice in 30 seconds 😂 Last edited by zcm82; 08/02/23. Reason: timing

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 zcm82 #18633918 08/02/23
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kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,619 Likes: 4 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas	Originally Posted by zcm82 Krag is a rimmed cartridge. 👍👍👍 Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633922 08/02/23
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flintlocke Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,133 Likes: 2 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State	Some early civilian Krag brass in my 'collection'...is headstamped .30 Army. A couple of my early civilian rifles in .30-06 are barrel stamped ".30 Govt 06", but I have no brass with that headstamp, however. I think your brass is fairly rare, but I'm no real collector. Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 zcm82 #18633923 08/02/23
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Scott_Thornley Campfire Tracker Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 6,261 Sierra Nevada foothills	Originally Posted by zcm82 Krag is a rimmed cartridge. beaten to the punch twice in 30 seconds 😂 I'm rather surprised to have been the first response posted.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633925 08/02/23
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moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,932 PA	1906 is the clincher. Only one cartridge ever had that headstamp

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Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633927 08/02/23
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reivertom Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 10,145 Likes: 4 Kentucky Hills	If it has a rim sticking out from the base, it's a 30-40.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18633965 08/02/23
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CashisKing Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 21,806 Likes: 8 Anywhere people are Less Stupi...	.30-06 Started service in 1906... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield Came from the .30-03 Springfield With the rifle designed by the Mauser boys... "This rifle, which formed the basis for much of the design of our own American Springfield Rifle, (on which a royalty of $200,000 was paid to Mauser by our Army). https://sportsmansvintagepress.com/...ls-table-of-contents/historical-forward/ If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634008 08/02/23
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OP JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,259 Likes: 6 W. Texas	Appreciate the input. That brass was found in the same area as this..... It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634013 08/02/23
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Poconojack Campfire Tracker P Joined: May 2010 Posts: 7,364 The West Mountain	Winchester’s caliber designation for the .30-06 on the M1895, M54 and M70 was .30 GOV’T ‘06, changed to .30-06 SPRG. in 1950 and 30-06 SPLFD. in 1952 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634121 08/02/23
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MIKEWERNER Campfire Tracker M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,429 IOWA, USA	You started all this for that? Originally Posted by JGRaider Appreciate the input. That brass was found in the same area as this..... "Those that think they know everything are annoying those of us that have Google." - Dr. D. Edward Wilkinson Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634262 08/02/23
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Huntz Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 14,275 N.E.Wisconsin	Originally Posted by JGRaider Appreciate the input. That brass was found in the same area as this..... That will buff right out . Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 Huntz #18634309 08/02/23
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160user Campfire Outfitter 1 Joined: May 2010 Posts: 9,469 Likes: 3 Northern MN	Originally Posted by Huntz Originally Posted by JGRaider Appreciate the input. That brass was found in the same area as this..... That will buff right out . The brass didn't come from that rifle. There must have been a heck of a shoot out there. I am always looking for factory wood stocks!

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634320 08/02/23
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12344mag Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 59,139 Likes: 23 Next to the dump that Del Shan...	Originally Posted by JGRaider Appreciate the input. That brass was found in the same area as this..... That's a damn cool find. Paul "I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D. Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards. molɔ̀ːn labé skýla

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634347 08/02/23
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Whelenman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,179 Likes: 1 The town Del Shannon made famo...	I bet that could tell some stories!!!!!! Well we're Green and we're Gold, and we play better when it's cold. All us Cheese heads have our favorite superstar. We love Brett Favre.

Re: Settle and Argument....30 Gov't/30-06 JGRaider #18634447 08/02/23
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