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Re: Battleship New Jersey DigitalDan #18640951 08/04/23
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,112 Central west coast of Florida M mjac Campfire Regular
mjac Campfire Regular M Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,112 Central west coast of Florida	Originally Posted by DigitalDan Has the pleasure of watching ground zero in Nam, courtesy of the New Jersey. A salvo of 16" shells leaves a mark, trust me on that. True enough. Last edited by mjac; 08/04/23. "My two most favorite people are Navy Corpsmen and Marine medivac helicopter pilots" - MEJ 0311 1967.

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18640980 08/04/23
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,809 The Palmetto State C cra1948 Campfire Outfitter
cra1948 Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,809 The Palmetto State	Saw the New Jersey when she was in port at Subic. Buddies and I went down to the carrier pier at Cubi Pt. where she was tied up. If you're a gun nut, looking at those 16 inch guns up close gives you a feeling that defies description. Mathew 22: 37-39

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18641065 08/04/23
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,168 Likes: 14 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,168 Likes: 14 In the Swamps	Those guns have gain twist rifling. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Battleship New Jersey DigitalDan #18641077 08/04/23
Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 7,245 Likes: 4 Denver, CO SupFoo OP Campfire Tracker
OP SupFoo Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 7,245 Likes: 4 Denver, CO	Originally Posted by DigitalDan Those guns have gain twist rifling. Now you did it. Everyone on CF will now be ordering a Bartlein barrel with a gain twist.

Re: Battleship New Jersey cra1948 #18641129 08/04/23
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,938 Likes: 16 Kiowa/Deer Trail, Colorado huntsman22 Campfire Ranger
huntsman22 Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,938 Likes: 16 Kiowa/Deer Trail, Colorado	Originally Posted by cra1948 looking at those 16 inch guns up close gives you a feeling that defies description. umm, yeah......

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Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18641975 08/05/23
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter
Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD	Originally Posted by SupFoo That would be some serious recoil. That's why the decks were made of wood, so they would flex and not bend when they were fired. Made them vulnerable though to bombers. Beware of any old man in a profession where one usually dies young. Calm seas don't make sailors.

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18642376 08/05/23
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,554 Alabama Phillip_Nesmith Campfire Regular
Phillip_Nesmith Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,554 Alabama	That wooden deck is there for thermal purposes. There's a lot of steel armor underneath the wood. All that steel gets extremely hot from the the sun light shining on it.

Re: Battleship New Jersey Dillonbuck #18642806 08/05/23
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,193 North Alabama Beoceorl Campfire Outfitter
Beoceorl Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,193 North Alabama	Originally Posted by Dillonbuck A night shot would be something. Last edited by Beoceorl; 08/05/23. ===================== Boots were made for walking Winds were blowing change Boys fall in the jungle As I Came of Age

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18643437 08/05/23
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 11,211 PA. P Pat85 Campfire Outfitter
Pat85 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 11,211 PA.	The rifling on those 16" guns [/url]

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18643472 08/05/23
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Pat85 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 11,211 PA.	Wonder what the twist rate is.

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Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18644077 08/05/23
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 2 Kane WY W WYcoyote Campfire Tracker
WYcoyote Campfire Tracker W Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,774 Likes: 2 Kane WY	Twist rate is 1-400". Should be good for VLD's? The muzzle velocity (MV) was up to 2800 fps with a 2100 pound shell and muzzle energy was 98,406 ft. tons. https://chuckhawks.com/16-50_gun_facts.html

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18644107 08/05/23
Joined: Sep 2022 Posts: 202 Idaho W Whokalouie Campfire Member
Whokalouie Campfire Member W Joined: Sep 2022 Posts: 202 Idaho	Were the big guns a right or left twist? And did some ships have a different twist.

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18644241 08/05/23
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,938 Likes: 6 West Treasure Valley, Idaho I Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger
Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger I Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,938 Likes: 6 West Treasure Valley, Idaho	The most interesting question, to me anyway: How accurate were the 16 inch guns? Quote For example, during test shoots off Crete in 1987, fifteen shells were fired from 34,000 yards (31,900 m), five from the right gun of each turret. The pattern size was 220 yards (200 m), 0.64% of the total range. 14 out of the 15 landed within 250 yards (230 m) of the center of the pattern and 8 were within 150 yards (140 m). Shell-to-shell dispersion was 123 yards (112 m), 0.36% of total range. 1.047" X 34000/100 =356 inches. Lets call it 10 yds. So if the pattern size is 220 yd, they are grouping 22 MOA. Not many one shot kills, I imagine. Although, the next sentence indicates 14 out of 15 landed within 250 yds of center of the pattern, which would indicate a 500 yd pattern, or 45 plus moa. Of course when the target is a beach, or a road, or a 300 yd x 30 yd battleship, the odds of a first shot strike increase. People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18644437 08/05/23
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,554 Alabama Phillip_Nesmith Campfire Regular
Phillip_Nesmith Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,554 Alabama	Imagine having to clean those bores!

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18644463 08/05/23
Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 7,245 Likes: 4 Denver, CO SupFoo OP Campfire Tracker
OP SupFoo Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 7,245 Likes: 4 Denver, CO	What would the angle of the guns be for maximum distance?

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18644472 08/05/23
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,791 Likes: 3 St Clair Shores, MI Beretta_Shooter916 Campfire Regular
Beretta_Shooter916 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,791 Likes: 3 St Clair Shores, MI	45 DON’T BE TOO PROUD OF THIS TECHNOLOGICAL TERROR YOU’VE CONSTRUCTED. THE ABILITY TO DESTROY A PLANET IS INSIGNIFICANT NEXT TO THE POWER OF THE FORCE. - Darth Vader

Re: Battleship New Jersey SupFoo #18646411 08/06/23
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Pat85 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 11,211 PA.	A friend of mine was a crew member on a C141 star lifter. Told the story of how they were making their initial descent somewhere in Vietnam and was ordered to climb immediately because they were flying into the arc of the New Jerseys 16” shells that was pounding some land target. He claimed they were at 24,000 feet. Don’t know if he was BS ing or not, how high can those shells arc?

Re: Battleship New Jersey Pat85 #18646440 08/06/23
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 806 Connecticut sackett Campfire Regular
sackett Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 806 Connecticut	Originally Posted by Pat85 A friend of mine was a crew member on a C141 star lifter. Told the story of how they were making their initial descent somewhere in Vietnam and was ordered to climb immediately because they were flying into the arc of the New Jerseys 16” shells that was pounding some land target. He claimed they were at 24,000 feet. Don’t know if he was BS ing or not, how high can those shells arc? According to this site: 36,000-37,000 ft. 16" Mark 7 guns

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