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The value of the ruble is now less than 1 cent(s).
It is estimated that Putin will have to raise interest rates to approximately 20% according to the international bond markets.
At 20% rates it is widely accepted that there will be no takers on any Russian bond offerings.
Chinese property investments are now failing to pay their interest obligations to investors. The unemployment rate for young Chinese workers is over 25%. At the 25% unemployment rate figures China invoked a no reporting mandate countrywide.
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The value of the ruble is now less than 1 cent(s).
It is estimated that Putin will have to raise interest rates to approximately 20% according to the international bond markets.
At 20% rates it is widely accepted that there will be no takers on any Russian bond offerings.
Chinese property investments are now failing to pay their interest obligations to investors. The unemployment rate for young Chinese workers is over 25%. At the 25% unemployment rate figures China invoked a no reporting mandate countrywide.
WSJ Ruble is up 2.62% according to Kitco this morning
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Value of the ruble really doesn’t matter much. They don’t import much of anything. They are food and energy independent.
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Value of the ruble really doesn’t matter much. They don’t import much of anything. They are food and energy independent. Russia, of all countries in the world, is the closest to being totally self-sufficient, with little need for imports. There will always be a global market for their main export - energy. Canada could be that way, if the government and people chose that route. It has the greatest natural resource per capita wealth in the world.
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Value of the ruble really doesn’t matter much. They don’t import much of anything. They are food and energy independent. They also had very low national debt when this started. Unlike the heavily indebted NATO countries that piling on even more debt to send money to Ukraine. Joe even said he wanted the Ukrainians to have some walking around money in their pocket.
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Where is Ukraine going to get 60 to 100 F-16 pilots? And it only takes 3 months of jet pilots flying one to get really proficient. By that time Zelensky will probably be history. I find that very hard to believe since the Russians have made no substantial gains in months. In fact they continue to loose ground.
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With eight 40 year old F-16s half or more of them will be redlined most of the time. Even with the best maintenance available that would be the case. They are talking 60-100 F-16's of European and Amercan origin. That's what they want. So far eight have been committed, maybe, from a US Air National Guard unit.. Nobody else has committed to giving them any at this time. None of the European NATO countries that have been mentioned as possibilities (because they've ordered F-35 Raptors to replace them) are going to give up any F-16s until their F-35s arrive. Which isn't for one to five years in most cases. Once again, more propaganda, more lies, more deception from the media and from Ukraine's government, desperately trying to boost the USA citizenry's waning support for this war. Ukraine requested 200 of them. I'm sure Nato and the US can scrape up 60 16's pretty easily.
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With eight 40 year old F-16s half or more of them will be redlined most of the time. Even with the best maintenance available that would be the case. They are talking 60-100 F-16's of European and Amercan origin. That's what they want. So far eight have been committed, maybe, from a US Air National Guard unit.. Nobody else has committed to giving them any at this time. None of the European NATO countries that have been mentioned as possibilities (because they've ordered F-35 Raptors to replace them) are going to give up any F-16s until their F-35s arrive. Which isn't for one to five years in most cases. Once again, more propaganda, more lies, more deception from the media and from Ukraine's government, desperately trying to boost the USA citizenry's waning support for this war. Ukraine requested 200 of them. I'm sure Nato and the US can scrape up 60 16's pretty easily. Where are they going to get the pilots?
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Value of the ruble really doesn’t matter much. They don’t import much of anything. They are food and energy independent. Russia, of all countries in the world, is the closest to being totally self-sufficient, with little need for imports. There will always be a global market for their main export - energy. Canada could be that way, if the government and people chose that route. It has the greatest natural resource per capita wealth in the world. USA could likewise be totally independent and actually exporter of energy and farm product.
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With eight 40 year old F-16s half or more of them will be redlined most of the time. Even with the best maintenance available that would be the case. They are talking 60-100 F-16's of European and Amercan origin. That's what they want. So far eight have been committed, maybe, from a US Air National Guard unit.. Nobody else has committed to giving them any at this time. None of the European NATO countries that have been mentioned as possibilities (because they've ordered F-35 Raptors to replace them) are going to give up any F-16s until their F-35s arrive. Which isn't for one to five years in most cases. Once again, more propaganda, more lies, more deception from the media and from Ukraine's government, desperately trying to boost the USA citizenry's waning support for this war. Ukraine requested 200 of them. I'm sure Nato and the US can scrape up 60 16's pretty easily. Where are they going to get the pilots? You don't suppose their are 200 pilots in Ukraine that could be trained?
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If there were they’d be shot down their first encounter.
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With eight 40 year old F-16s half or more of them will be redlined most of the time. Even with the best maintenance available that would be the case. They are talking 60-100 F-16's of European and Amercan origin. That's what they want. So far eight have been committed, maybe, from a US Air National Guard unit.. Nobody else has committed to giving them any at this time. None of the European NATO countries that have been mentioned as possibilities (because they've ordered F-35 Raptors to replace them) are going to give up any F-16s until their F-35s arrive. Which isn't for one to five years in most cases. Once again, more propaganda, more lies, more deception from the media and from Ukraine's government, desperately trying to boost the USA citizenry's waning support for this war. Ukraine requested 200 of them. I'm sure Nato and the US can scrape up 60 16's pretty easily. Where are they going to get the pilots? You don't suppose their are 200 pilots in Ukraine that could be trained? In five years? Sure. Less time than that? Doubtful.
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Any F-16s they might get over the next five years are going to have avionics vastly inferrior to the Russian Su-35's IRBIS-E phased array radar.
If a Ukraine-piloted F-16 fighter group is ever deployed (I have my doubts that will actually come to pass), they better hope to not run into any Russian Su-35s. They will be down before they're even aware the Russians are in the air.
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lol sad how clueless the average American is. Ukraine has lost almost half of their population will all the educated citizens having fled You do know that English is not the official language in Ukraine? If someone doesn't know English how are you going to use highly technical terms and training to a non English speaking uko in English ? lmao They'd be lucky to find 30 now to enter a year plus year program to fly an F 16. Who is going to maintain these planes? monkeys from the Kiev zoo that don't know any English ? lol clown world With eight 40 year old F-16s half or more of them will be redlined most of the time. Even with the best maintenance available that would be the case. They are talking 60-100 F-16's of European and Amercan origin. That's what they want. So far eight have been committed, maybe, from a US Air National Guard unit.. Nobody else has committed to giving them any at this time. None of the European NATO countries that have been mentioned as possibilities (because they've ordered F-35 Raptors to replace them) are going to give up any F-16s until their F-35s arrive. Which isn't for one to five years in most cases. Once again, more propaganda, more lies, more deception from the media and from Ukraine's government, desperately trying to boost the USA citizenry's waning support for this war. Ukraine requested 200 of them. I'm sure Nato and the US can scrape up 60 16's pretty easily. Where are they going to get the pilots? You don't suppose their are 200 pilots in Ukraine that could be trained?
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Where is Ukraine going to get 60 to 100 F-16 pilots? And it only takes 3 months of jet pilots flying one to get really proficient. By that time Zelensky will probably be history. I find that very hard to believe since the Russians have made no substantial gains in months. In fact they continue to loose ground. Have you even been following the war? lol Why has Russia spent the last year constructing a massive , I mean massive three tiered defensive line protecting the land they gained if they want to advance into more territory? They have pretty much seized all of the territory they said they wanted . Ukraine is suffering major losses the past 2 months trying to advance into defensive positions which means that they are at a major tactical disadvantage . duh I imagine that they'll want more sea ports like Odessa which is historically Russian. lol
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Have you even been following the war? lol
Why has Russia spent the last year constructing a three tiered defensive line protecting the land they gained if they want to advance into more territory? They have pretty much seized all of the territory they said they wanted . Ukraine is suffering major losses the past 2 months trying to advance into defensive positions which means that they are at a major tactical disadvantage . duh
I imagine that they'll want more sea ports like Odessa which is historically Russian. lol ribka, Zelensky be Big Mad at you. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/zBkdN06M/Zelenskyy-big-mad.jpg)
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Any F-16s they might get over the next five years are going to have avionics vastly inferrior to the Russian Su-35's IRBIS-E phased array radar.
If a Ukraine-piloted F-16 fighter group is ever deployed (I have my doubts that will actually come to pass), they better hope to not run into any Russian Su-35s. They will be down before they're even aware the Russians are in the air. NATO countries will supply the pilots just as did Russia in 1967 for the Arab MIGs
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Very interesting indeed. Pretty much jibes with what I’ve been reading. I think the 82nd Air Assault Brigade may gain a few acres of ground here and there, but get wiped out in the effort. That’s pretty much been the results for the past three months since the “counteroffensive” started. The Soviet Union could afford to do that against Germany in WW II. They would win battles taking five to ten times the casualties the Germans did. Ukraine can’t afford to take equal casualties as the Russians. By some accounts, they’ve lost more men than the Russians during this period.
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Any F-16s they might get over the next five years are going to have avionics vastly inferrior to the Russian Su-35's IRBIS-E phased array radar.
If a Ukraine-piloted F-16 fighter group is ever deployed (I have my doubts that will actually come to pass), they better hope to not run into any Russian Su-35s. They will be down before they're even aware the Russians are in the air. NATO countries will supply the pilots just as did Russia in 1967 for the Arab MIGs No NATO pilot would volunteer for Thant suicide mission. NATO pilots are used to bombing defenseless unarmed women and children and civilians in third world impoverished countries with no militaries, no air forces , no air defense systems. It would be a slaughter and very bad optics. Like our outdated military equipment in Ukraine now
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