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Originally Posted by jbmi
German made Sig Sauer P232 in 9mm Kutz (380 for all the rest of you)
Well made, easy to carry and good shooter.
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I had the older version of that in the early 1980s, the P230, marked "Made in West Germany." I was so stupid to sell it in the late 1980s. I kick myself every time I think about it. But that's a story I could tell about dozens of guns I had in the 1980s.

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Originally Posted by bruinruin
Keltec P3AT is my only real pocket pistol. Mine has operated fine over the years I've owned it. It even has a notch for a close range head shot on a red squirrel. 90 gr. Hydra-shok to his rodent brain pan put the tree rat down immediately.
They are underrated for small concealable pistols. Mine has never jammed.

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Originally Posted by Ohio7x57
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Ron you are 100% correct that the .25 is a poor choice but it's better ( most of the time ) than a rock.

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I agree Razorhog! Jeff Cooper used to say he’d rather have a rock or a wine bottle than a .25. Not this kid. A .25 to the eye sockets would be way better than any rock or bottle.

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As they say, the people who scoff at the .25 never agree to take one in the chest to prove their point. It's not my first choice, but I'd take one over nothing for sure.

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Originally Posted by Ohio7x57
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Ron you are 100% correct that the .25 is a poor choice but it's better ( most of the time ) than a rock.

Take care,
Razorhog

I agree Razorhog! Jeff Cooper used to say he’d rather have a rock or a wine bottle than a .25. Not this kid. A .25 to the eye sockets would be way better than any rock or bottle.

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As they say, the people who scoff at the .25 never agree to take one in the chest to prove their point. It's not my first choice, but I'd take one over nothing for sure. The same goes for a .22 short.

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My Kimber Micro 9 fits in my pocket nicely, and is accurate and never had a malfunction yet!

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Some places a firearm of any sort is not legal. Knife, a bar of soap in a sock.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Not really a pocket pistol although you can easily carry it in a pants pocket. I've been through a few compact pistols and revolvers. But my favorite so far is a Glock 43 that carries a Shield 9 round magazine.
How easy was it to switch out the mag release?

TRH, it’s pretty easy. I bought a package deal with 3 Shield Arms 9 round magazines and an all steel mag release. YouTube is your friend for this kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
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No, I'm not talking about you cutting a hole in the pocket of your best overalls and fondling your junk during Sunday service. I'm talking about pistols small and light enough to conceal in a front pocket.

My only pocket pistol is a Keltec P3AT. I guess maybe I got lucky, mine has always seemed to function okay. But I kind of have the itch for something else. I've been mulling a S&W 638 or one of the 642 series, but the Ruger LCR revolvers and the Ruger LCP Max look nice too.

Does anyone have a pocket pistol they really, really like?

Glock 43. Also an excellent ultralight backpacking pistol.

Glock 43X with Shield mags/ mag release* for 15 +1 9mm in a format that still drops into the back pocket of most pants.

*be sure to just order the mag release when you order mags

It's concerning that violent unpredictable psychotics with self described brain damage as well as life long drug usage should not have access to firearms. We can all agree to that on here

Jeff you do k now drug addicts can't legally own firearms?

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Smith model 642 with some Lost river ammo.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Some places a firearm of any sort is not legal. Knife, a bar of soap in a sock.
After 9/11, when they stopped allowing me onboard commercial flights with my lockblade knife, I started carrying a three inch tall, solid brass, owl statue with me in my carry-on luggage. I wrapped it up in a rugged cloth dinner napkin, and put it in a small gift box, as if I'm taking it as a gift to someone I'm visiting.

Pull that thing out, put it in the center of the dinner napkin, fold the rest back, and it's a Medieval mace.

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Sig P226 (I don't own a pocket pistol).

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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
High Standard 101M- - - - -take the grip panels off and it disappears into a front pocket.

Great choice!

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Some places a firearm of any sort is not legal. Knife, a bar of soap in a sock.
After 9/11, when they stopped allowing me onboard commercial flights with my lockblade knife, I started carrying a three inch tall, solid brass, owl statue with me in my carry-on luggage. I wrapped it up in a rugged cloth dinner napkin, and put it in a small gift box, as if I'm taking it as a gift to someone I'm visiting.

Pull that thing out, put it in the center of the dinner napkin, fold the rest back, and it's a Medieval mace.

I quit flying after 9/11.
My little brother was stuck in the Denver Airport for 3 days as his flight got grounded on 9/11.
I was on an Antelope Hunt in NM on 9/11. Luckily, we drove.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by jbmi
German made Sig Sauer P232 in 9mm Kutz (380 for all the rest of you)
Well made, easy to carry and good shooter.
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I had the older version of that in the early 1980s, the P230, marked "Made in West Germany." I was so stupid to sell it in the late 1980s. I kick myself every time I think about it. But that's a story I could tell about dozens of guns I had in the 1980s.

Those were great little guns! I had one I bought when TX DPS State Troopers traded them all in to the Firearms Wholesaler I worked for at the time. Evidently, DPS issued them to St Troopers that worked undercover in their Narcotics Division.
Anyhow, I think my cost was $225 for one that looked like it had never been fired. Should have hung on to that one.


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My S&W 632 .32 Mag rides in my back pocket almost daily. It is a little chunky for front pocket. For front pocket, you might find me with an LCP, Colt Mustang, or shudder, Beretta 950 .25 Auto.

Beretta .25

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It is a joke of a gun. But, working over 200 GSW as a Paramedic, I did see a man killed with it one time. 72 year old black mammy got mad at 75 year old black daddy, and she started firing the .25! One bullet took out the light fixture in the ceiling. One bullet went through the refrigerator. Several bullets in the floor.
And one bullet hit the man. It hit him on the outside of his upper arm. His left arm. It travelled through the arm, and missed the bone. It travelled into the chest, and missed the rib. And it stopped right in the middle of his heart. Dead Right There. Hell of an xray.

What a fluke! Had it hit the arm bone it would have stopped. Had it hit the rib it would have stopped.
I saw lots of people hit with a .25, often doc put a band aid on the little hole and the guy walked out of the ER. But not this guy.

When I was a young officer on patrol I had to bag up several people killed by .25 autos. I worked in the hood and .25’s were prevalent in the 80’s. Strangely enough, most were the same wound area. The victim had probably turned sideways and raised their arm to shield the head. The bullet(s) hit the armpit and penetrated into the heart. Quite deadly. That being said, the .25 is a poor choice for defense as most of you already know.

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https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=267
HEAVY 25 ACP Ammo
60 gr. Hard Cast FN - (850 fps/ M.E. 96 ft. lbs.)
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ITEM 25ACP-60 HC FN

For well over two decades (today's date is 09-21-22), customers have been requesting the development of 25 ACP ammunition that will actually kill humans. We now have it available.

Load #1 (item 25ACP 60 HC FN) features a 60gr. hard cast flat-nosed bullet that is moving at 850 fps out of these test pistols. In our testing, it appears that this bullet will travel entirely through a 200 lb. man that is frontally shot in the chest. This is lethal.

Load #2 (item 25 ACP 50 FMJ-RN) features a 50 gr. FMJ-RN bullet moving at around 875 fps from these test pistols.

I have fired many major brands of 25 ACP ammo featuring a 50 gr. FMJ-RN bullet, and they normally do not exceed 700 fps—very anemic performance.

The below pistols give real-world velocities, not hyped-up laboratory test barrel velocities that you’ll never see in real use on the streets.

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Here are the velocities for item 25ACP 60 HC FN

> 851 fps - Beretta model 21A, 2.4-inch barrel
> 819 fps - Colt Pocket Pistol, 2.1-inch barrel
> 822 fps - Baby Browning, 2.0-inch barrel
> 835 fps - Seecamp, 2-inch barrel

Velocities for item 25ACP 50 FMJ-RN

> 889 fps - Beretta model 21A, 2.4-inch barrel
> 857 fps - Colt Pocket Pistol, 2.1-inch barrel
> 818 fps - Baby Browning, 2.0-inch barrel
> 868 fps - Seecamp, 2.0-inch barrel

These two loads are within SAAMI pressure specs and can be fired in any all-steel pistol that is in ordinary firing condition.

You should always test these small pistols for cycling reliability with your chosen load BEFORE you rely on the ammo to save anyone’s life. The 60 gr. load functioned flawlessly in the Beretta, Seecamp, and Colt pistol, but will fail to feed occasionally in the Browning. The 50 gr. load functions reliably in all four test guns.

There is no appreciable muzzle flash with a cartridge this small.

Good shooting, and God bless,

Tim Sundles

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Originally Posted by auk1124
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To my way of thinking, a pocket pistol is a backup to one's primary. I also like to have a weak-hand option. With that in mind I have a money clip gun, a Kahr .380 that goes everywhere my money clip goes

There's been several people mention the little Kahr 380. They weren't even on my radar. I'm gonna have to look into them.

I love my PM 9 but there were early reports of the Kahr .380 having reliability issues. If they have been resolved that might be a good choice for back pocket carry.


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A few things everyone needs to remember. You might have to use your pocket pistol in a gun fight so choose accordingly. A holster for a pocket pistol might get in the way and slow down your draw. Everyone should practice drawing and firing at 4yds, less than 2 seconds on target should be your goal.


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Originally Posted by jbmi
German made Sig Sauer P232 in 9mm Kutz (380 for all the rest of you)
Well made, easy to carry and good shooter.
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I "think" that is KURZ, though I could be wrong. It is a cool pistol, kinda of big for pocket carry for my taste but it is typical Sig quality. A friend of mine bought one for his mother. She lived alone and she kept that for her protection. Occasionally he would bring it out and shoot it, clean it back up, and return it to Mom. I never saw it malfunction. I would take that over any Walther PP series gun every time. The Walther is way over rated in my experience.


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