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[quote=moosemike] IRuger now makes the same basic gun, obviously with a better finish and ostensibly "Quality crafted into every rifle." Their asking price is $1,239.00. /quote]
There is a quantum leap of faith . I said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm not seeing it. And the rag writers are the only ones claiming it. Are the Rugers better made than the Remlins? Yes. Marlin? I'm not seeing it. In hand or reading the rags.
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In 2015 they were made by Remington and those were possible the worst ever made until they threw everything they got from Marlin out and started over. By the time they figured it out and were turning out decent ones, the . Where did you get that info? Remington never threw anything out and NEVER retooled. They were bankrupt. Thst's why their product sucked. Had Remington retooled Ruger wouldn't have been off line 3 years retooling . What I'ld really like an answer to is, why do you mothball the 77 because its too expensive to build, but go ahead with a 1200 + 30-30,?
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2016-2017 I bought two 94 Winchesters; a rough 1976 model ($200) and a used but not abused 94 Antique ($340). I usually don't even buy Marlins but when a '55 Texan in 35 Remington listed on Armslist in late 2020, I grabbed it for less than half what Ruger wants for a new one. Some of today's pricing is attributable to inflation. A hell of lot of it is 'Charge what the traffic will bear." I bought a new 336 in 2016. It was $440 and it was parkerized with hardwood. The new 336 is $999 at my LGS and that's blued/walnut Per the US Inflation Calculator, the cumulative rate of inflation for Mike's 2016 Marlin 336 is 27.4% and today's price should be $560.42. Of course Rem/Marlin went TU so it's impossible to draw direct conclusions. Ruger now makes the same basic gun, obviously with a better finish and ostensibly "Quality crafted into every rifle." Their asking price is $1,239.00. So I guess the question to ask is Ruger's 336 worth $678.00 more than Moose Mike's inflation-adjusted 2016 version? Not to me it isn't, but I've got the only Marlin that really interests me. Ruger is apparently selling all they can make. Seems most here do not think that the "inflation" numbers over the past few years are anywhere near reality. You? I am not an economist. Per the Inflation Rate Calculator, the inflation on a $100 item between 2016 and 2020 was 7.8% It also shows the inflation on that same item, between 2020 and 2023 (3 years instead of 4) at 18.1% Sounds reasoable to me. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ There is inflation, economic opportunism (AKA Capitalism) and price gouging. All of them have manifested themselves in the new and used lever action market over the past 7 years.
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In 2015 they were made by Remington and those were possible the worst ever made until they threw everything they got from Marlin out and started over. By the time they figured it out and were turning out decent ones, the . Where did you get that info? Remington never threw anything out and NEVER retooled. They were bankrupt. Thst's why their product sucked. Had Remington retooled Ruger wouldn't have been off line 3 years retooling . What I'ld really like an answer to is, why do you mothball the 77 because its too expensive to build, but go ahead with a 1200 + 30-30,? I got that from various articles written by writers that have been reliable. They, like any business, make what they think will sell so they can make money. There’s a market for nice lever actions, as evidenced by the fact that companies liie Pedersoli, Uberti, Winchester, and Big Horn Armory are cranking out a wide variety, some of them selling for a Hell of a lot more than $1200.
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In 2015 they were made by Remington and those were possible the worst ever made until they threw everything they got from Marlin out and started over. By the time they figured it out and were turning out decent ones, the . Where did you get that info? Remington never threw anything out and NEVER retooled. They were bankrupt. Thst's why their product sucked. Had Remington retooled Ruger wouldn't have been off line 3 years retooling . What I'ld really like an answer to is, why do you mothball the 77 because its too expensive to build, but go ahead with a 1200 + 30-30,? Here you go. Read it and weep, Dipschitt: https://www.riflemagazine.com/new-marlin-1895-sbl-45-70-government
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Why would you assume that when its posted 3 rounds at 50 yrds? I think they screwed up the caption. All the numbers make perfect sense if the shooting was done at 50 and 100 yards
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In 2015 they were made by Remington and those were possible the worst ever made until they threw everything they got from Marlin out and started over. By the time they figured it out and were turning out decent ones, the whole company went under. Similarly, what Ruger got from Remington was also in bad shape, and they began fresh Where are you getting this? You keep repeating this. And it just isn't true. Remington never put 1 penny in tooling or upgrades on the Marlin line. They NEVER turned out a single unit from the production line that was worth its salt. A few came out of the Custom shop, but pricing and lack of skilled Employees submarined that experiment They were/are Bankrupt.
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I posted the link to an article that gives an excellent account of that above. You can deny deny deny Hillary, but it’s right there for you and everyone else to see. If you want to hold onto the fairytale you pulled out of your azz, go for it. From that article:
In January 2008, the Remington Outdoor Company (aka the Freedom Group, Cerberus) acquired the Marlin Firearms Company, which had been a family-owned business (Frank Kenna and descendants) since 1924. While the new owners invested deeply with the intention to improve and modernize this remarkable company, they made one major mistake; in an effort to increase efficiency, during 2010 they moved the company from New Haven, Connecticut, to Ilion, New York, to be manufactured within the huge Remington Arms plant. Only a handful of employees made the move, so the know-how and tweaking that was necessary to make guns work perfectly was lost. Blueprints were outdated and did not correspond with modern CNC tooling. Essentially, it had to start all over with new employees, engineers, new tooling, etc. I worked closely with company personnel, offering insight into technical aspects and areas that really needed to be improved, as well as input for new models that would be in high demand. While improvement was steady, corporate “white shirt-types” stifled the process. Nonetheless, Marlin eventually began producing good rifles and became very successful. In fact, they carried Remington Arms financially as that company failed to produce quality guns and struggled to make ends meet! Tragically, the Freedom Group that also owned DPMS, Bushmaster, Dakota Arms, Barnes Bullets and many others declared bankruptcy in July 2020, with Ruger purchasing Marlin shortly afterward. This was a match made in heaven and I knew that it would only be a matter of time for savvy Ruger engineers to take the Marlin design and make it more or less perfect once again!
Soon after the bankruptcy, the Ilion plant was closed, and with the humidity associated with a New England fall, tooling, parts, barrels and receivers began to quickly rust and deteriorate. By the time Ruger moved the company to Mayodan, North Carolina, much of the tooling and some parts were unusable. Ruger engineers immediately began drawing new blueprints and engineering production processes that better fit within that company’s highly efficient manufacturing techniques and methodology, which has been a huge undertaking. As the work progressed, I was periodically forwarded blueprints, proposed changes, etc. for input. It quickly became clear that Ruger was taking its latest acquisition to new levels of quality and reliability and I anxiously waited for the announcement indicating production was underway
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I posted the link to an article that gives an excellent account of that above. You can deny deny deny Hillary, but it’s right there for you and everyone else to see. If you want to hold onto the fairytale you pulled out of your azz, go for it. From that article:
In January 2008, the Remington Outdoor Company (aka the Freedom Group, Cerberus) acquired the Marlin Firearms Company, which had been a family-owned business (Frank Kenna and descendants) since 1924. While the new owners invested deeply with the intention to improve and modernize this remarkable company, they made one major mistake; in an effort to increase efficiency, during 2010 they moved the company from New Haven, Connecticut, to Ilion, New York, to be manufactured within the huge Remington Arms plant. Only a handful of employees made the move, so the know-how and tweaking that was necessary to make guns work perfectly was lost. Blueprints were outdated and did not correspond with modern CNC tooling. Essentially, it had to start all over with new employees, engineers, new tooling, etc. I worked closely with company personnel, offering insight into technical aspects and areas that really needed to be improved, as well as input for new models that would be in high demand. While improvement was steady, corporate “white shirt-types” stifled the process. Nonetheless, Marlin eventually began producing good rifles and became very successful. In fact, they carried Remington Arms financially as that company failed to produce quality guns and struggled to make ends meet! Tragically, the Freedom Group that also owned DPMS, Bushmaster, Dakota Arms, Barnes Bullets and many others declared bankruptcy in July 2020, with Ruger purchasing Marlin shortly afterward. This was a match made in heaven and I knew that it would only be a matter of time for savvy Ruger engineers to take the Marlin design and make it more or less perfect once again!
Soon after the bankruptcy, the Ilion plant was closed, and with the humidity associated with a New England fall, tooling, parts, barrels and receivers began to quickly rust and deteriorate. By the time Ruger moved the company to Mayodan, North Carolina, much of the tooling and some parts were unusable. Ruger engineers immediately began drawing new blueprints and engineering production processes that better fit within that company’s highly efficient manufacturing techniques and methodology, which has been a huge undertaking. As the work progressed, I was periodically forwarded blueprints, proposed changes, etc. for input. It quickly became clear that Ruger was taking its latest acquisition to new levels of quality and reliability and I anxiously waited for the announcement indicating production was underway
Follow the link for the full text. Links don't help with him. He doesn't read them. When he's wrong he's content being wrong and no facts can change it
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I posted the link to an article that gives an excellent account of that above. You can deny deny deny Hillary, but it’s right there for you and everyone else to see. If you want to hold onto the fairytale you pulled out of your azz, go for it. From that article:
In January 2008, the Remington Outdoor Company (aka the Freedom Group, Cerberus) acquired the Marlin Firearms Company, which had been a family-owned business (Frank Kenna and descendants) since 1924. While the new owners invested deeply with the intention to improve and modernize this remarkable company, they made one major mistake; in an effort to increase efficiency, during 2010 they moved the company from New Haven, Connecticut, to Ilion, New York, to be manufactured within the huge Remington Arms plant. Only a handful of employees made the move, so the know-how and tweaking that was necessary to make guns work perfectly was lost. Blueprints were outdated and did not correspond with modern CNC tooling. Essentially, it had to start all over with new employees, engineers, new tooling, etc. I worked closely with company personnel, offering insight into technical aspects and areas that really needed to be improved, as well as input for new models that would be in high demand. While improvement was steady, corporate “white shirt-types” stifled the process. Nonetheless, Marlin eventually began producing good rifles and became very successful. In fact, they carried Remington Arms financially as that company failed to produce quality guns and struggled to make ends meet! Tragically, the Freedom Group that also owned DPMS, Bushmaster, Dakota Arms, Barnes Bullets and many others declared bankruptcy in July 2020, with Ruger purchasing Marlin shortly afterward. This was a match made in heaven and I knew that it would only be a matter of time for savvy Ruger engineers to take the Marlin design and make it more or less perfect once again!
Soon after the bankruptcy, the Ilion plant was closed, and with the humidity associated with a New England fall, tooling, parts, barrels and receivers began to quickly rust and deteriorate. By the time Ruger moved the company to Mayodan, North Carolina, much of the tooling and some parts were unusable. Ruger engineers immediately began drawing new blueprints and engineering production processes that better fit within that company’s highly efficient manufacturing techniques and methodology, which has been a huge undertaking. As the work progressed, I was periodically forwarded blueprints, proposed changes, etc. for input. It quickly became clear that Ruger was taking its latest acquisition to new levels of quality and reliability and I anxiously waited for the announcement indicating production was underway
Follow the link for the full text. Links don't help with him. He doesn't read them. When he's wrong he's content being wrong and no facts can change it Well, in that case, since I know the popular definition of insanity, I’ll let him wallow in his ignorance without further interference from me….. Thanks.
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Well, that’s the first time I heard anyone mention that take on the matter!🤔
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In 2015 they were made by Remington and those were possible the worst ever made until they threw everything they got from Marlin out and started over. By the time they figured it out and were turning out decent ones, the . Where did you get that info? Remington never threw anything out and NEVER retooled. They were bankrupt. Thst's why their product sucked. Had Remington retooled Ruger wouldn't have been off line 3 years retooling . What I'ld really like an answer to is, why do you mothball the 77 because its too expensive to build, but go ahead with a 1200 + 30-30,? I got that from various articles written by writers that have been reliable. They, like any business, make what they think will sell so they can make money. There’s a market for nice lever actions, as evidenced by the fact that companies liie Pedersoli, Uberti, Winchester, and Big Horn Armory are cranking out a wide variety, some of them selling for a Hell of a lot more than $1200. I would L O V E to see that Article. Please provide a link. It doesn't pass the logical sniff test at all.
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In 2015 they were made by Remington and those were possible the worst ever made until they threw everything they got from Marlin out and started over. By the time they figured it out and were turning out decent ones, the . Where did you get that info? Remington never threw anything out and NEVER retooled. They were bankrupt. Thst's why their product sucked. Had Remington retooled Ruger wouldn't have been off line 3 years retooling . What I'ld really like an answer to is, why do you mothball the 77 because its too expensive to build, but go ahead with a 1200 + 30-30,? Here you go. Read it and weep, Dipschitt: https://www.riflemagazine.com/new-marlin-1895-sbl-45-70-governmentHey Dumb phu ck ? Could you please point out in your Ruger article where it states Remington retooled.? I'll take your apology when you grow the nads to post it.
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Here you go Dickwad: Blueprints were outdated and did not correspond with modern CNC tooling. Essentially, it had to start all over with new employees, engineers, new tooling, etc. I worked closely with company personnel, offering insight into technical aspects and areas that really needed to be improved, as well as input for new models that would be in high demand. While improvement was steady, corporate “white shirt-types” stifled the process. Nonetheless, Marlin eventually began producing good rifles and became very successful. In fact, they carried Remington Arms financially as that company failed to produce quality guns and struggled to make ends meet! You can skip the apology, I wouldn’t want your head to explode….. Also, here yet fuggin’ again, is the link. You must be blind as well as stupid. https://www.riflemagazine.com/new-marlin-1895-sbl-45-70-government
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I posted the link to an article that gives an excellent account of that above. You can deny deny deny Hillary, but it’s right there for you and everyone else to see. If you want to hold onto the fairytale you pulled out of your azz, go for it. From that article:
In January 2008, the Remington Outdoor Company (aka the Freedom Group, Cerberus) acquired the Marlin Firearms Company, which had been a family-owned business (Frank Kenna and descendants) since 1924. While the new owners invested deeply with the intention to improve and modernize this remarkable company, they made one major mistake; in an effort to increase efficiency, during 2010 they moved the company from New Haven, Connecticut, to Ilion, New York, to be manufactured within the huge Remington Arms plant. Only a handful of employees made the move, so the know-how and tweaking that was necessary to make guns work perfectly was lost. Blueprints were outdated and did not correspond with modern CNC tooling. Essentially, it had to start all over with new employees, engineers, new tooling, etc. I worked closely with company personnel, offering insight into technical aspects and areas that really needed to be improved, as well as input for new models that would be in high demand. While improvement was steady, corporate “white shirt-types” stifled the process. Nonetheless, Marlin eventually began producing good rifles and became very successful. In fact, they carried Remington Arms financially as that company failed to produce quality guns and struggled to make ends meet! Tragically, the Freedom Group that also owned DPMS, Bushmaster, Dakota Arms, Barnes Bullets and many others declared bankruptcy in July 2020, with Ruger purchasing Marlin shortly afterward. This was a match made in heaven and I knew that it would only be a matter of time for savvy Ruger engineers to take the Marlin design and make it more or less perfect once again!
Soon after the bankruptcy, the Ilion plant was closed, and with the humidity associated with a New England fall, tooling, parts, barrels and receivers began to quickly rust and deteriorate. By the time Ruger moved the company to Mayodan, North Carolina, much of the tooling and some parts were unusable. Ruger engineers immediately began drawing new blueprints and engineering production processes that better fit within that company’s highly efficient manufacturing techniques and methodology, which has been a huge undertaking. As the work progressed, I was periodically forwarded blueprints, proposed changes, etc. for input. It quickly became clear that Ruger was taking its latest acquisition to new levels of quality and reliability and I anxiously waited for the announcement indicating production was underway
Follow the link for the full text. Operative word being "INTENTION" [bleep] in one hand and intend in the other. Come back and tell me which one fills up first..
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You liberals crack me up. When you got nothing you always go to the name calling like petulant little children.
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I can deal with the ignorant, the stupid, fools, and even the crazy, but won’t waste (any more) time on a liar. AMF
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I can deal with the ignorant, the stupid, fools, and even the crazy, but won’t waste (any more) time on a liar. AMF I told ya. He's like talking to a brick wall. Only the wall is likely more intelligent
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I can deal with the ignorant, the stupid, fools, and even the crazy, but won’t waste (any more) time on a liar. AMF Typical commucrat , accuse the other side of what you yourself are doing, pick up your marbles and go home With your tail between your legs, thinking "I showed him" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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