Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire The lies of the left: the rich only get richer

The phrase “it’s not fair” was invented so folks with expectations not rooted in reality could enter the conversation.

You are dead wrong on taxes. Taxes overall, are higher now than ever before. We pay a tax in some form to the tune of 60-70% of what we earn. Fuel tax, phone tax, property tax, insurance taxes, sales tax ect ect ect

I stand corrected, sir. I was only considering federal income taxes. Many thanks for pointing out my oversight. There are definitely more taxes now versus then, even thought the federal income tax rates are lower.

flintlocke: Big business, the military-industrial complex and all their middle-men leeches on society caused all this when they used their money made off of labor's backs to pass the Taft-Hartley Act shortly after WW2. This cut the nuts out of labor unions and allowed for the slave labor competition from Asia and the Right to Work (for less) laws facilitated the competition of cheap illegal immigrant labor flooding the market. Labor unions would have kept illegal immigrants from working in this country or at least kept it down to the most menial tasks. Strong labor unions would have kept tariffs in place that would have kept out foreign steel, cars, drugs, you name it.



I have sad news. The predatory moneyed interests have not a bit of concern if we live or die and sure don't mind if we end up in hovels such as those in Haiti and India. And now the lower level middle-men leeches are being squeezed out by big money. The big national banks have taken over the small lending the community banks did, Walmart ran the local stores out and now they are in squeeze by internet retailers that send stuff from huge warehouses. The little insurance offices are losing to the internet sales. Agricultural production is increasingly being bought by fewer and fewer buyers.

Your grandchildren will be lucky to have a roof over their heads in any kind of house they can call their own.

Try a free market once? Maybe?

Yes Jim, we used to have a lot more free market than we do now. When labor was castrated and big business was turned loose to form monopolies things went south.

If I sell cattle or timber, or deposit, or loan or borrow money my options are getting to be fewer and fewer. Big business loves to regulate the local bank, slaughterhouse, logging contractor, store, etc. out of business.

You must think that universal rent control would solve housing?

No, it’s not a zero sum game, but there is no denying that in the battle for the disposable income of the American public, the lower and middle incomes have taken some serious hits. By their own choices and actions, I hasten to add.

The “big four hits” as I see them.

1) easy credit on consumer goods. Credit cards, store credit, no interest for two years, etc, etc, etc. all of those marketing ploys make it easy, very easy, to outspend your income. And we haven’t taught our young how to deal with credit properly. As a consequence of OUR failure, as parents, to teach, the kids are paying 18% interest on that Chick Filet meal for the next 7 years.

2) 6 and 7 year car loans and car leases. Kids buying a new $60K car right out of college, because they “need a reliable car” , or even because “they deserve it”. That’s 8-10K in depreciation they are signing up for PER YEAR, PLUS INTEREST, PLUS INSURANCE. The dam car costs them north of $15K a year, and a couple often will have two of those bad boys sitting in the driveway!

3) the “3% dowm, 30 year Mortgage”. Guaranteed to have you gain very little equity the first 12 years, and then they move and DO IT AGAIN! 65 year olds with 15 years left on their mortgage!

4) insane college costs, fueled by insane student loan policies. Who in their right mind sends a kid into a well trained college “financial aid” office that knows EXACTLY which buttons to push to sway the kid to signup for a bunch of loans so they can live in the dorm with the gym and three food courts? We send our kids in that meat grinder and they come out with $120K in student loans and a degree in Gender Studies and we get all teary eyed at graduation because they made the Deans list……….

Predatory credit practices are even worse among the lower classes, I don’t even want to get started on them.

All this is on US, the parents. WE failed to teach our kids basic money skills. Our grand kids are being sent to day care because their mothers need to work to pay for the credit card bills, the student loans, the car payments and the mortgage on the McMansion. If we as parents had taken some time to teach our kids about money, taught them how to budget, how to save, how to invest…….. the middle class would be majority millionaires.

I figured thats what you meant. No worries

The lefty marxists always spout one pie economics. In a fair economic system the rich get richer, and so do the poor. That is the true history of the west.

Classic whiner azz 'fire thread.

fun to flush out the liberal thinkers, though.

Indeed.

You probably should have chosen another billionaire to make your point. The one you named personifies flintlocke's point.

His point was that billionaires buy politicians to make themselves wealthy. For example Warren Buffett bought some politicians to shut down the xl pipeline so he could make some cash with his railroad.

There's gotta be way more than 20 million millionaires in the US.

Did you read any of it?

I would say no as I didnt read much whining if any in this thread

There certainly have been whiner threads....but as you say....this one was pretty good!

Some excellent posts.