Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles H 414

Is anyone still able to find H 414 anymore ? I know that Win 760 is basically the same powder , , however Hornady manual has one full grain more of 414 vs 760 for the top load in 7-08 . { 48.9 vs 49.9 }. If the 414 is no longer available, whats your thoughts on working up to 49.9 of 760. The reason I'm asking is that 49.9 of 414 shoots lights out in the 7-08 Begara. and the group begins to open up when dropped to 48.9 of the 760. Thoughts ?

I've gathered that it's the "same" and data differences reflect lot to lot variation.

They're not basically the same. 760 is a touch faster and that warrants a full load workup.

I used a lot of H414 in a 6mm bore basically because I was ignoring better options. There's still 4 pounds in that jug that hasn't been touched in 20 years.

In that cartridge pick a stick powder that yields at LEAST 85% load density. The less air space the better without hitting a compressed load. Start 20 thou off the lands. Find a velocity plateau at least 3/4 of a grain wide just below book max. Run the middle of it. Adjust seating depth shorter/longer 5 thou at a time to improve groups.

I just emailed Hogdons... they are the same.

Can load data be interchanged ?

Yes, these are the same powder and will use the same load data.

To the OP

Also per published data I see example .30-06 150 grain bullet, max load variation is diddly squat... 58.8 W414 and 59.1 max charge W760.

Until THAT is stated in the published load data, it's best to not just make assumptions. At best it's different lots re-labeled, which should be tested if you're a sane handloader.

Yeah yeah yeah, so what? I have H 4831 from 1987 and another new container that the rifle shoots the same. No abnormal pressure signs what so ever with near max loads, warm weather or cold. Not to say that loads shouldn’t be worked up. There’s plenty of older data available in manuals that can be bought on line.

Feral American, Would you be willing to part with that 414 that you have ? I'm down here in Texas....

No

H414 was discontinued a few years ago. Even though people say it's the same as 760, it is not. Check some load manuals, and you will see different charges stated. The best recommendation is to work up your load, if you are switching powder. That is always the best way to go.

If the owners of the company, even if they don’t manufacture it, say so, is good enough for me, and l wouldn’t say they’re “some people “, considering they work up the load data for it has to mean something. Working up loads is always a definite.

Hodgdon doesn't make Win 760, they have it made at the old St Mark's Winchester plant in FL under license. The only thing they control is dollars in and dollars out.

I don’t believe a grain difference in H414 or Win760 is going to blow up any gun made. With that said, I never load to max, I always start in the middle and if it shoots to my expectations, I have my load. I don’t put myself in the danger zone where I would have to worry about it.

Everything I’ve ever read (except for maybe here) says they are the same powder just as Win 296 and H110 are the same. To me it’s kind of like Pepsi or Coke, both made with their own recipes and both made in many plants across the country. If I buy a Pepsi in New York and Florida, I’m pretty sure I won’t notice a difference. Same with H414 or Win760, I probably wouldn’t notice a difference. I don’t have the guns or a shooter (me) that are accurate enough that could tell the difference…

[quote=anothergun]I just emailed Hogdons... they are the same.

Can load data be interchanged ?

Yes, these are the same powder and will use the same load data..../quote]

But what would they know?

[quote=5sdad][quote=anothergun]I just emailed Hogdons... they are the same.

Can load data be interchanged ?

Yes, these are the same powder and will use the same load data..../quote]

But what would they know?[/quote

Gee man they work up loads for thier data… l hope that helps!🤪🤨

I have 6 lbs left in an 8 lb jug of someone wants to travel to central MO.

AA 2700... yet another label on a powder that's not the same as H414...

I've had all three of these powders. Still have Win 760 and A2700. By brother ended up with my H414. This is a powder that works very well for the intended purpose. It is not very forgiving if it's used outside the lines. Loads should be slowly worked up and all signs of pressure closely monitored while using a chronograph. Load development should stop when desired performance and precision is reached. With this stuff anymore than necessary is not a good idea.

As for interchangeably, I'd use all three (win 760, H414, A2700) in the same load if the load is at least two grains below trusted maximum data. For me the trusted data is becoming the older data. The new stuff is ridiculously reduced.

Look at the Hodgdens Annual Manual! Any caliber that uses both H414 and W760-----The Data Is Exactly the same including pressure!!!

This tends to tell you sumpin' !

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