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One could spend weeks, probably months, getting in shape to spend most of the day, or days, getting in position on some of the most rugged and dangerous terrain on the planet, on a hunt of a lifetime, to take a 500, 600, 800 yard shot on a Ram or a Goat on the next slope over....and some random irrelevant knucklehead on the internet preaches it's just killing because it's over 300 yards. Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy, don't ya think? In most cases, one doesn't spend any time at all gettin' in shape, or acquiring either woodsmanship or marksmanship skills, rides their 4-wheeler out to some stand or perch, and then shoots off a rest or table, using their range-finder, weather station, and dialing scope gimmickry. Sad but true. GR Won't say that isn't true in a lot of cases but you're painting with a very broad brush trying to dictate your pompous personal ethics onto others. THAT is the "Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy". What is bein' addressed - is the modern culture of increasing range, for the sole purpose of increasing range, at the Exclusion of woodsmanship and marksmanship. Which is Shooting, not Hunting. GR That's just your opinion, nothing less, nothing more. And from an anonymous random irrelevant individual on the internet. And, I'm the wrong one to preach to on the subject. I'm lucky to have some sort of deer season from September to March here. I hunt with my long bow and cedar shafts, because I want to. I hunt with a flintlock I built from scratch and roundballs I cast, because I want to. I hunt most of our rifle season with one of many Marlin lever rifles chambered in a host of calibers best suited for short range and "plain ol cup & core" bullets, because I want to. But if I choose to just sit up on a ridge a day or two and watch the open hollers and ridges on the farm with my 18lb 300WM, big glass, range finder, and slick bullets, I'll damn well [bleep] do it and not even remotely owe you an apology for it.
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One could spend weeks, probably months, getting in shape to spend most of the day, or days, getting in position on some of the most rugged and dangerous terrain on the planet, on a hunt of a lifetime, to take a 500, 600, 800 yard shot on a Ram or a Goat on the next slope over....and some random irrelevant knucklehead on the internet preaches it's just killing because it's over 300 yards. Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy, don't ya think? In most cases, one doesn't spend any time at all gettin' in shape, or acquiring either woodsmanship or marksmanship skills, rides their 4-wheeler out to some stand or perch, and then shoots off a rest or table, using their range-finder, weather station, and dialing scope gimmickry. Sad but true. GR Won't say that isn't true in a lot of cases but you're painting with a very broad brush trying to dictate your pompous personal ethics onto others. THAT is the "Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy". What is bein' addressed - is the modern culture of increasing range, for the sole purpose of increasing range, at the Exclusion of woodsmanship and marksmanship. Which is Shooting, not Hunting. GR Well considering that where l deer and black bear hunt there’s less game and less hunters. At one time l’d here shots ring out all day long and see deer everyday. Now it’s not good and for awhile l had to take longer shots. From what l heard grizzlies are putting a major dent along with foredge decreasing causing a population decrease. The grizzlies are being protected by temper tantrum liberals at town meetings in the rockies. So maybe some like to shoot game long range, and that is thier choice. But on the hand some game go high and up some very rough terrain. Shoot em now get them later some do, some don’t.
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One could spend weeks, probably months, getting in shape to spend most of the day, or days, getting in position on some of the most rugged and dangerous terrain on the planet, on a hunt of a lifetime, to take a 500, 600, 800 yard shot on a Ram or a Goat on the next slope over....and some random irrelevant knucklehead on the internet preaches it's just killing because it's over 300 yards. Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy, don't ya think? In most cases, one doesn't spend any time at all gettin' in shape, or acquiring either woodsmanship or marksmanship skills, rides their 4-wheeler out to some stand or perch, and then shoots off a rest or table, using their range-finder, weather station, and dialing scope gimmickry. Sad but true. GR Won't say that isn't true in a lot of cases but you're painting with a very broad brush trying to dictate your pompous personal ethics onto others. THAT is the "Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy". What is bein' addressed - is the modern culture of increasing range, for the sole purpose of increasing range, at the Exclusion of woodsmanship and marksmanship. Which is Shooting, not Hunting. GR That's just your opinion, nothing less, nothing more. And from an anonymous random irrelevant individual on the internet. And, I'm the wrong one to preach to on the subject. I'm lucky to have some sort of deer season from September to March here. I hunt with my long bow and cedar shafts, because I want to. I hunt with a flintlock I built from scratch and roundballs I cast, because I want to. I hunt most of our rifle season with one of many Marlin lever rifles chambered in a host of calibers best suited for short range and "plain ol cup & core" bullets, because I want to. But if I choose to just sit up on a ridge a day or two and watch the open hollers and ridges on the farm with my 18lb 300WM, big glass, range finder, and slick bullets, I'll damn well [bleep] do it and not even remotely owe you an apology for it. Just an opinion? Really? Long Range HuntingThere are entire websites dedicated to it. It's a culture... or even a cult. It has driven an entire industry of hyper-precise rifles, artificial rests, range-finders, dialing scopes, and ultra-high-BC hunting bullets. The point is - at some point, Hunting becomes Shooting, but that's another thread. GR
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One could spend weeks, probably months, getting in shape to spend most of the day, or days, getting in position on some of the most rugged and dangerous terrain on the planet, on a hunt of a lifetime, to take a 500, 600, 800 yard shot on a Ram or a Goat on the next slope over....and some random irrelevant knucklehead on the internet preaches it's just killing because it's over 300 yards. Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy, don't ya think? In most cases, one doesn't spend any time at all gettin' in shape, or acquiring either woodsmanship or marksmanship skills, rides their 4-wheeler out to some stand or perch, and then shoots off a rest or table, using their range-finder, weather station, and dialing scope gimmickry. Sad but true. GR Won't say that isn't true in a lot of cases but you're painting with a very broad brush trying to dictate your pompous personal ethics onto others. THAT is the "Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy". What is bein' addressed - is the modern culture of increasing range, for the sole purpose of increasing range, at the Exclusion of woodsmanship and marksmanship. Which is Shooting, not Hunting. GR That's just your opinion, nothing less, nothing more. And from an anonymous random irrelevant individual on the internet. And, I'm the wrong one to preach to on the subject. I'm lucky to have some sort of deer season from September to March here. I hunt with my long bow and cedar shafts, because I want to. I hunt with a flintlock I built from scratch and roundballs I cast, because I want to. I hunt most of our rifle season with one of many Marlin lever rifles chambered in a host of calibers best suited for short range and "plain ol cup & core" bullets, because I want to. But if I choose to just sit up on a ridge a day or two and watch the open hollers and ridges on the farm with my 18lb 300WM, big glass, range finder, and slick bullets, I'll damn well [bleep] do it and not even remotely owe you an apology for it. Just an opinion? Really? Long Range HuntingThere are entire websites dedicated to it. It's a culture... or even a cult. It has driven an entire industry of hyper-precise rifles, artificial rests, range-finders, dialing scopes, and ultra-high-BC hunting bullets. The point is - at some point, Hunting becomes Shooting, but that's another thread. GR So freaking what? Show us on the doll where the long range hunter defiled you. Mybe you should just worry about doing you Sport.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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One could spend weeks, probably months, getting in shape to spend most of the day, or days, getting in position on some of the most rugged and dangerous terrain on the planet, on a hunt of a lifetime, to take a 500, 600, 800 yard shot on a Ram or a Goat on the next slope over....and some random irrelevant knucklehead on the internet preaches it's just killing because it's over 300 yards. Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy, don't ya think? In most cases, one doesn't spend any time at all gettin' in shape, or acquiring either woodsmanship or marksmanship skills, rides their 4-wheeler out to some stand or perch, and then shoots off a rest or table, using their range-finder, weather station, and dialing scope gimmickry. Sad but true. GR Won't say that isn't true in a lot of cases but you're painting with a very broad brush trying to dictate your pompous personal ethics onto others. THAT is the "Fly-Sh(t-in-the-Pepper fallacy". What is bein' addressed - is the modern culture of increasing range, for the sole purpose of increasing range, at the Exclusion of woodsmanship and marksmanship. Which is Shooting, not Hunting. GR That's just your opinion, nothing less, nothing more. And from an anonymous random irrelevant individual on the internet. And, I'm the wrong one to preach to on the subject. I'm lucky to have some sort of deer season from September to March here. I hunt with my long bow and cedar shafts, because I want to. I hunt with a flintlock I built from scratch and roundballs I cast, because I want to. I hunt most of our rifle season with one of many Marlin lever rifles chambered in a host of calibers best suited for short range and "plain ol cup & core" bullets, because I want to. But if I choose to just sit up on a ridge a day or two and watch the open hollers and ridges on the farm with my 18lb 300WM, big glass, range finder, and slick bullets, I'll damn well [bleep] do it and not even remotely owe you an apology for it. Just an opinion? Really? Long Range HuntingThere are entire websites dedicated to it. It's a culture... or even a cult. It has driven an entire industry of hyper-precise rifles, artificial rests, range-finders, dialing scopes, and ultra-high-BC hunting bullets. The point is - at some point, Hunting becomes Shooting, but that's another thread. GR Distance has nothing to do with defining hunting. If the deer is 5 yards, and you shoot, always at some point if you intend to harvest it becomes shooting
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Distance has nothing to do with defining hunting. If the deer is 5 yards, and you shoot, always at some point if you intend to harvest it becomes shooting - "is the human practice of seeking, pursuing, capturing, or killing wildlife or feral animals."Hittin'em with my truck isn't hunting, either. At some point - Hunting becomes Shooting. GR
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So freaking what?
Show us on the doll where the long range hunter defiled you.
Mybe you should just worry about doing you Sport. Both "Ribbon Dancing" and "Synchronized Swimming"... are now Olympic events. At some point, Hunting becomes Shooting. GR
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and at a Republic became a socialistic state. Seems that's more of an issue than what you people are complaining about, isn't it ?
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At some point, Hunting becomes Shooting. Shooting is a pretty important part of hunting. Maybe cats like you enjoy your tag soup too much to even know that. Here's an idea, let's crowd fund you a huge truck load of cheese to go with that whine. I'll be working on a new load with a new bullet in my 1971 made Marlin 444T in the next couple weeks. Cup & core 240 gr flat point. Been a hot minute since I did any load testing. Looking forward to it.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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At some point, Hunting becomes Shooting. Shooting is a pretty important part of hunting. Would put it well behind both Woodsmanship and Marksmanship, which are primary components to hunting. GR
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Does it hurt?
If it doesn't, it should.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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Does it hurt?
If it doesn't, it should. So you lost the argument. No reason to be childish about it. GR
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For there to even be an argument in the first place, you would need to bring some degree of logic and reason to the table. Since you can't, there is no argument here to lose.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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For there to even be an argument in the first place, you would need to bring some degree of logic and reason to the table. Since you can't, there is no argument here to lose. - "is the human practice of seeking, pursuing, capturing, or killing wildlife or feral animals." At some point, Hunting simply becomes shooting. GR
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Ok Fudd, you win.
Feel better now?
I hope if the time ever comes that the long range shooters and hunters will have your back despite all the angst and disdain you project their way.
Peace, out.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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Looks like you did a lousy job with that gun-cotton suggestion.
Not surprised you fuc ked that up too.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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Looks like you did a lousy job ignoring me
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Not yet princess, just your alter ego "maser" so far.
Keep trying, you'll eventually get there.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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You’re not a boy of his word, you squirrel headed bastard
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