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I would be 20 thou off kiss to start. You might be hitting pressure due to a COAL too close to jam.

Try:
35.7
35.9
36.1
36.3
36.5
36.7

Without running a work up the way I do it, I'm guessing you MIGHT find a node somewhere in that range, but that's based on only seeing 2 velocities there, #1 and #2. It's just about where I find a node just shy of pressure though. Run two of each over the chrono and see what you get.


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H4831SC has worked very well with that bullet in a 1/10 twist
I4064 and A4350 has done good for me too
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Originally Posted by JayB93
Interesting results. Hodgdon manual for 90grain bullet is 38.0 to 40.5. I started at 36.1 and went up in steps of 1% more powder (0.3 to 0.4 grains). Bullet is Nosler 90 BT seated at 0.023" off jam - length base to ogive of 2.390" using Hornady comparator

#1 H380 36.1 2894 fps
#2 " " 36.4 2905
#3 " " 36.8 2929
#4 " " 37.2 2964


#4 reached clear signs of pressure - flattened primer and bolt was sticky to open. I quit at that point. 37.2 is way below Hodgdon upper limit of 40.0. Is that because I am running my bullet seated longer than their factory standard?

I suppose I will load up a few more at steps going down from 36.1 to see what the results are and will call 36.8 max. I don't see much need to load it that hot though since 1,2 and 3 were all within 35 fps.

Thoughts?

where you were seeing pressure signs, try seating the bullet a little deeper, like a 1/4 turn only on the seating die...see what that tells you...

H 380 is slower than 4064, and I can run 40 grains of IMR 4064 ALL DAY and not see pressure signs with a 90 grain bullet, to include Ballistic Tip ( as I shoot a lot of those and 95 grainers also )

You didn't mention outside temps, but I don't think that is coming into play this time of the year, except maybe down on the southern border states still...

Even tho it is commonly said to use Larger Rifle Mag primers with H 380, I've gotten along fine for decades with regular large rifle primers.

H 380 has been able to shoot 90 grain bullets at 3150 fps, with no issues in the 5 or 6 243s in the gun cabinet. Ruger, Winchester Model 70, Remington 700, and Savage Model 10.


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Originally Posted by Kenneth66
H4831SC has worked very well with that bullet in a 1/10 twist
I4064 and A4350 has done good for me too
Kenneth

The Sierra load manual lists H4831sc as the most accurate powder tested. Their "accuracy load" in other words. Also looking at the manual, that is the powder I'd pick. Just loaded up some 100gr SGK last night, so we will see. Generally the book is never a bad option when developing loads, or trying to figure out which powder to use.


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Here is my collective results seated at Jam minus 0.020

36.1 2904 / 2894
36.3 2918
36.4 2929
36.5 2933
36.8 2964


I understand H380 isn't the optimal choice - though 90 grain Nosler BT at 2900 fps ought to be good nuf for deer at 100-150y - provided accuracy/consistency is there. In looking at book for H380 with 90 grain bullet - H380 seems to be a touch slower than other powders - so 2930 doesn't seem far off the mark? 36.8 was a little close to pressure hit at 37.2, so I left it alone.

I suppose this points to a flat spot between 36.1 and 36.5. Plan was to load up some at 36.4 or 36.5 and go shoot for groups with each group having a deeper bullet seating depth.
 

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Originally Posted by JayB93
Here is my collective results seated at Jam minus 0.020

36.1 2904 / 2894
36.3 2918
36.4 2929
36.5 2933
36.8 2964


I understand H380 isn't the optimal choice - though 90 grain Nosler BT at 2900 fps ought to be good nuf for deer at 100-150y - provided accuracy/consistency is there. In looking at book for H380 with 90 grain bullet - H380 seems to be a touch slower than other powders - so 2930 doesn't seem far off the mark? 36.8 was a little close to pressure hit at 37.2, so I left it alone.

I suppose this points to a flat spot between 36.1 and 36.5. Plan was to load up some at 36.4 or 36.5 and go shoot for groups with each group having a deeper bullet seating depth.
 
Good enough for deer to 400+. If it will group good enough use it and kill stuff.


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Long time away from this thread but wanted to report back. Rifle needed some work - had it recrowned and I sanded the stock to free float the barrel. 36.4 grains at 0.005” incrementally deeper seating depths yielded two consecutive groups with 3 shot spreads at 100yds of 1” and 1-1/8”. Loaded up a batch at preferred depth and will see how it does at 5 shot groups.

Curious - do most include or exclude first cold bore shot in a 5 shot group?

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