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Originally Posted by TheSOB
Shot a cow Elk this year using 150 gr. BT out of a 7mm WSM, and it destroyed the front quarters due to fragmentation. The gun really likes the bullets, but for hunting, I prefer something that won't fragment as much.


the impact velocity (25-05, 6.5CM, 270 Win, 7-08, 308, 30-06) of the BT/SST is around 2800fps to keep it from fragmenting. if the impact velocity is greater than 2850fps it will fragment and then you will be left with lung soup and chunks of heart. if the impact velocity is less than 2800fps, then the BT/SST will "mushroom" and most likely it will exit the deer.

this is just my observation of deer hit with the BT/SST.

i like my bullet to mushroom and go out of the deer.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!

Good job and good eating!

There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject.


You must have Insider information.

At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip.


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Classic over penetration

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!

Good job and good eating!

There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject.


You must have Insider information.


Actually there has. Maybe Mule Deer will chime in but Nosler DID toughen up the BT because of it's frangibility8 when it first came out.


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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!

Good job and good eating!

There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject.


You must have Insider information.

At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip.

I don't remember them changing the BT bullet... But I may be wrong.

What most people don't realize is that the larger the caliber, and heavier the BT bullet, the thicker the jacket. It's always been that way.

Frankly I started using BT's out of a .223 hunting coyotes. And again, frankly, the jacket was too thick out of a .223 55gr... It would blow through a coyote and leave a quarter sized exit. Had lots of runners, shot behind or through the shoulders.

Then the V-Max came out. Thinner jacket. Much more explosive expansion, and a runner was rare. Usually no exit with a V-Max either.

Now you take that same BT 55gr bullet and push it out of a 22-250, you get different results. Lots of variables in play. But a BT has never been a "varmint bullet". It's been a hunting bullet.


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Ours fail all the time too! Congrats

I actually did read an article about the thicker jackets introduced on the 120 nbt in 7mm. Don't know about the other nbts.

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!

Good job and good eating!

There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject.


You must have Insider information.


Actually there has. Maybe Mule Deer will chime in but Nosler DID toughen up the BT because of it's frangibility8 when it first came out.
Some calibers and weights needed adjustments, some did not.


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How did you gentle souls come into such information?


Who is Mule Deer?


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!

Good job and good eating!

There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject.


You must have Insider information.

At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip.

I don't remember them changing the BT bullet... But I may be wrong.

What most people don't realize is that the larger the caliber, and heavier the BT bullet, the thicker the jacket. It's always been that way.

Frankly I started using BT's out of a .223 hunting coyotes. And again, frankly, the jacket was too thick out of a .223 55gr... It would blow through a coyote and leave a quarter sized exit. Had lots of runners, shot behind or through the shoulders.

Then the V-Max came out. Thinner jacket. Much more explosive expansion, and a runner was rare. Usually no exit with a V-Max either.

Now you take that same BT 55gr bullet and push it out of a 22-250, you get different results. Lots of variables in play. But a BT has never been a "varmint bullet". It's been a hunting bullet.

Your best move is to keep your facts to clearing brush, you don't know chit from clay about nosler bullets.

There's always been 2 ballistic tips, the hunting version with thicker jackets and the varmint bullets with thinner jackets.

FFS, read their website or have a 3rd grader read it to you.

Also the jackets on the 120 BT in .284 is substantially thicker than the 140 BT.

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John has mentioned several times that some of the jacket profiles on NBTs had been adjusted through the years.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
How did you gentle souls come into such information?


Who is Mule Deer?


It ain't a secret, Pard. smile

30 cal. BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

.22 cal BT.

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.22 cal V-Max Hornady

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Let us know when you figure out who Mule Deer here is.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
How did you gentle souls come into such information?


Who is Mule Deer?


It ain't a secret, Pard. smile

30 cal. BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

.22 cal BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Let us know when you figure out who Mule Deer here is.

https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/ballistic-tipr-varmint.html

Here, Mr. Nosler Expert, now go find a 3rd grader to read and explain it to you.

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When I'm loading if the MV is 3000fps or less I use Nosler BT if the MV is over 3000fps I use Nosler Accubonds. It has worked out well for me over the years. The only bullet I refuse to use for anything bigger that coyotes is the Sierra hunting bullets. They just seem too soft and I have seen multiple complete failures on deer. I actually shot a deer below me at about 30 yards with one in 270Win. hitting it in the back down between the shoulder blades. The bullet made a hole about the size of my fist but didn't hold together long enough to enter its chest cavity. Luckily it affected its spine and I got to finish it off with a second shot.

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
How did you gentle souls come into such information?


Who is Mule Deer?


It ain't a secret, Pard. smile

30 cal. BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

.22 cal BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Let us know when you figure out who Mule Deer here is.

https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/ballistic-tipr-varmint.html

Here, Mr. Nosler Expert, now go find a 3rd grader to read and explain it to you.

Laffin'...

GFY, Biden Shill.

I've killed more chit than you have ever even seen. With the above mentioned projectiles... Dumbass.


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As most folks know, Nosler makes a bullet that they label a Varmint Bullet and a bullet that they label a Hunting Bullet. That's not how we got started down this path though. Some folks are saying that Nosler changed some of the Hunting Bullets. They did. They changed the jacket profiles on some of them.

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Originally Posted by Hardwoodmaterials
When I'm loading if the MV is 3000fps or less I use Nosler BT if the MV is over 3000fps I use Nosler Accubonds. It has worked out well for me over the years. The only bullet I refuse to use for anything bigger that coyotes is the Sierra hunting bullets. They just seem too soft and I have seen multiple complete failures on deer. I actually shot a deer below me at about 30 yards with one in 270Win. hitting it in the back down between the shoulder blades. The bullet made a hole about the size of my fist but didn't hold together long enough to enter its chest cavity. Luckily it affected its spine and I got to finish it off with a second shot.

Sierra makes quite a few different hunting bullets. Game King, Pro Hunter, Tipped Game King? Caliber, weight within caliber?

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
How did you gentle souls come into such information?


Who is Mule Deer?


It ain't a secret, Pard. smile

30 cal. BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

.22 cal BT.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Let us know when you figure out who Mule Deer here is.

https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/ballistic-tipr-varmint.html

Here, Mr. Nosler Expert, now go find a 3rd grader to read and explain it to you.

Laffin'...

GFY, Biden Shill.

I've killed more chit than you have ever even seen. With the above mentioned projectiles... Dumbass.

So, tell me where you full of chit when you claimed the BT was "always a hunting bullet" or just forget to drink your ensure?

Go clear some brush.

Talking bullets of the nosler variety is over your pointed head, by a landslide.

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
So, tell me where you full of chit when you claimed the BT was "always a hunting bullet" or just forget to drink your ensure?

Go clear some brush.

Still a dumbass I see. Your ignorance is showing. Nothing out the ordinary for you though.

https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/ballistic-tipr-hunting.html

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The combination of performance and versatility that Nosler® has built into these bullets has resulted in over 25 years of successful hunts for sportsmen across the country – and around the world.

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